Episode 178 Jennifer Boileau How iRest Can Help Pain, Sleep, Depression, Anxiety, & PTSD

This transcript is from episode 178 with guest Jennifer Boileau.

Scott DeLuzio  00:00:00    Thanks for tuning into the Drive On Podcast where we’re focused on giving hope and strength to the entire military community. Whether you’re a veteran, active duty guard, reserve, or family member, this podcast will share inspirational stories and resources that are useful to you. I’m your host, Scott DeLuzio, and now let’s get on with the show. 

Scott DeLuzio   00:00:22    Welcome back to the Drive On Podcast. Before we get started today, I wanted to give a shout-out to some other incredible veterans who I’ve recently gotten linked up with. We refer to ourselves as the coalition, and we’re all in on this mission to help out improving the lives of other veterans. I wanted to give a quick shout-out to each of these individuals and many of them have their own podcast other than doing work with the veterans in their community.  I wanted to give a shout-out and I’ll have information about them in the show notes as well. You can go check them out, and the information on the website, so you can go check all of them out. But first off is Ryan from Vet With a Mic Podcast.  

Scott DeLuzio   00:01:06    He’s a former guest and whose shirt I’m wearing today. He helped put this group of individuals together. Big shout out to him. Jenna from The Millennial Veteran, BJ from BJ Comedy Dave from Hard to Kill, and he’s our token Canadian guy in the group. Travis from Oscar Mike Radio Reden from Brave and Faithful Podcast. Another former guest, KP from The Morning Formation Podcast. Another former guest, Maria from Cr8tive Healing Podcast, and last but not least Althea from She Vets It. I wanted to give a shout-out again to all these people and encourage everyone to go listen to them. Check out what they’re doing. I’m going to put the links to their podcasts, websites, social media, whatever they have, on the website and in the show notes. Wherever you can find them, go check them out.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:02:01   I really want everyone to give them a listen and a follow if you can. We’ll get back to our regularly scheduled programming here. Today my guest is a returning guest. Jennifer Boileau. Jennifer joined us in episode 154 titled “Healing with meditation and yoga”, where we discuss some of the techniques she teaches to help others relax, get better sleep and conquer their anxiety. Today she’s back to talk about another technique that she uses, which we didn’t really get a chance to talk about in the previous episode. That technique is called iRest,  Welcome to the show, Jennifer.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:02:45    Well, thanks for having me back. It’s good to see you again.  

Scott DeLuzio    00:02:47    Yeah, likewise, I’m glad to have you here. We’re going to skip the usual introduction, background who you are, and everything. We’re just going to dive right into what we’re talking about here. I want people to go back and listen to that other episode because there’s a lot of great content in that episode as well. You can get to know Jennifer a little bit better, by hearing her background and her introduction in that episode. Again, that will be linked in the show notes. You can find it pretty easily. Definitely listen to that episode first and then come back and check this one out. I think you’ll really enjoy both of these episodes. Let’s dive into it. Could you give us a background on what iRest is and how it can help people?  

Jennifer Boileau   00:03:41    iRest is short for integrative restoration and it was something that was researched by Dr. Richard Miller at Walter Reed Medical Center.  I know I’ve shared before, but I’m a civilian. I have not walked in your shoes, but I’ve certainly studied the heck out of all of this all these great practices. This is a practice that is just excellent for first responders, active-duty military, and really addresses the symptoms of PTSD sleep, disruption, anxiety, and overall stress as a non-pharmaceutical method. I understand completely that sometimes medication is part of your health and wellness, and I’m not discounting that at all, but I do love that this is a non-pharmaceutical option that you can make part of your wellness plan for yourself. I work with some people privately that work for the federal government in these practices.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:04:44    And what they refer to this practice is like the SOP I’ve always wanted, like the plan I needed all this time. It was just right here in the practice. Richard, a psychotherapist and he was working at Walter Reed, started this research because everyone coming back from deployment with all of these heavy symptoms of PTSD. How can we serve them better than just layering medication, medication, medication, medication? Each took all of his training in yoga, nidra, excuse me, which is an ancient practice of meditation, and really modernized it for our living situation now. It’s a 10 step protocol. Very simple to learn and kind of get used to and implement into your life. Because of all of that research, the defense centers for excellence have approved iRest as a complementary and alternative medicine.  

Jennifer Boileau00:05:46    Also the US Army Surgeon General has named Yoga Nidra from all of the research with iRest as a tier-one approach to pain management in the so it’s definitely something that’s been taken on by the department of defense who funded that research. It’s a really amazing step in the right direction to support people in a different way and a way that you have these tools all the time. You don’t have to go get a refill, right? You don’t have to go to the gym for this. You don’t have to go somewhere. It’s helping you tune into your experiences by following this protocol.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:06:35    That’s an encouraging thing that the department of defense and the military is looking into this type of an approach to dealing with pain and things like that. So often you hear from veterans and service members that they are just getting prescription after prescription, after prescription, and either it’s not working or the side effects that they’re having. That causes them to get other prescriptions to cover up those symptoms that are created by the side effects. Next thing, you’re going in with a certain level of pain that you’re trying to deal with, but then you end up with all these other medications and it’s almost like you might even forget about the original thing that you were going in for. Now you’re just trying to manage these other symptoms and that’s not to discount the benefits of medications because they definitely have their place and their purpose. But sometimes it seems like it’s just the easy thing just to prescribe, prescribed, prescribed. When there’s an approach like this, that you can take. You don’t need a refill, you don’t need to do anything with that. It just seems like that’s a much smarter solution assuming that it works for the individual. 

Jennifer Boileau    00:08:04    Absolutely. Instead of just covering up all the different layers of whatever you’re dealing with, it takes you straight to the root of the experience. I know that that might seem a little like, Ooh, I don’t know if I want to get there. I don’t know if I want to revisit that. But knowing that, like you’re saying with sometimes that layering of medication, medication, medication, We know the suicide rates, right?  We know these numbers that are just horrifying and you just don’t want to be layering. Anything else that’s going to take someone down a little further down that really dark rabbit hole. If we can address some of the core issues by turning you from all of the busyness of the mind and taking you into the semantic felt senses in the body, like a whole different part of you just opens up.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:09:05    It is a very experiential practice if you’ve ever tried meditation before. I don’t know about this. Absolutely just know that this is a trauma-informed practice. I’m not going to tell you what to think, but I will give you guidance following this protocol that I kind of weave together. Through that guidance, you’re going to have your own experience. I could give the same instruction to a thousand people in a room, and every single person will have a completely different experience based on those instructions. It’s kind of like giving you that SOP, right? It’s giving you the map and from your experiences, from your interactions whatever, it is you’re dealing with. It’s going to kind of hit a little bit differently for each person. That’s what I think is one of the keys of the iRest, which is why it’s so effective.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:10:07   I’m not going to tell you, imagine you’re floating on a cloud. I mean, I’m terrified of heights. Just terrified. That would be the worst thing you could ever say to me. That’s not going to help regulate my nervous system. Right? This practice is all about getting you out of your head, into the felt sense of the body, and just helping to give you that inner strength. I can handle this because I’ve created enough space between myself and whatever this stressor is, whatever this anxiety or the pain or this limiting belief, whatever it might be. We create just enough space so that you’re not fused with that anymore You’re not fused with that heaviness of the emotion. You can find that space and this creates a big shift.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:10:57     I wanted to read a testimonial that you had on your website from one of your clients if that’s okay with you.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:11:06    This is from a Vietnam veteran, who says that he’s a Marine veteran, two tours in Vietnam as an infantry platoon Sergeant, and like many of my Vietnam friends. Again, these are his words, not mine.” I am distrustful of people. I am uncomfortable in crowds or large groups, and feel like most shows that have public support for my service are disingenuous at best. This is my version of PTSD. I’ve used Gen-Z meditation recording and find that it helps me to relax and sleep better. I believe that Jen’s recording helps me to maintain that feeling of peace and relaxation beyond the times that I’m actively listening to the recording. I recommend this to any veteran who might be periodically in their situation. It’s an easy, non-invasive way to relax and just let go of feelings that may be holding them back.”  

Scott DeLuzio   00:12:02    This is from a, it says a distant iRest meditation client who happens to be a veteran. I wanted to mention this because I think it describes many veterans pretty well, right? He’s distressed and distrustful of people. He is uncomfortable in crowds and has difficulty sleeping or relaxing. If this is something that can work for this one Vietnam vet,  maybe also can work for some of these listeners who are out there. If he can figure out a way to trust you and figure out how to use this practice to help him relax, get to sleep better. Beyond the times that he’s actively listening, to this, it seems like, Hey, what do you have to lose to give this a try? I’m glad to have you on and talk about this practice and how it works.  

Scott DeLuzio  00:13:00   I want one thing that he touched on in that testimonial. I wanted to just ask you about it. Is this something that should be done regularly, like on a regularly scheduled basis, like, every morning or once a day, twice a day, or is this something that can be done as needed, type of thing? Or could the answer be it depends on the individual? I’m sure that that could possibly be an answer as well, but I wanted to let you answer that and see if this is something that needs to be done fairly frequently or, or if it could just be done as needed.  

Jennifer Boileau  00:13:47    Yeah, absolutely. Well, the answer is, yes. All of the above, right? One of the things that we focus on in the iRest is little and often. I don’t want you to think that, okay, I gotta go meditate, find a cave. I need an hour.  Now that’s not how it’s going to be. You could really do this in five-minute chunks, 10-minute chunks. You can go up to 35, 45 minutes, in a session, it can be whatever feels right to you. It can really contract or expand to fit the time that you feel is right for you. But to your point of how often, what’s interesting about that is if you are practicing regularly, say 12 to 15 minutes at a time, maybe three, four days a week, the research shows that when you’re practicing over time, your brain is getting the kind of brain rest.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:14:47    It needs as if you were getting a full night’s sleep. For people, if you’re on shift work, right, if you, if you are deployed in your up all hours, weird hours to just not getting regular sleep, your brain is really suffering because of that. So the brain’s not really happy about that. You probably feel pretty crappy. If you’re not getting some decent sleep and some decent brain rest, it’s going to show in a lot of different ways that maybe you’re not gonna, you’re not going to like the way it feels. Maybe your behavior or might be a little quick or snappy or something with people. Know that with that practice, that it changes your actual need for sleep, to wonder for hours as opposed to meeting seven or eight hours of sleep.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:15:37    Just those 15-minute practices throughout your week. As many days as you can, but three or four days, you have 15 minutes. I mean, that’s what this all comes down to. We have 15 minutes, right. It’s just making time. If you’re willing to do it, think about what a shift that could be for you, your brain receiving that kind of rest. I mean, we need that time to kind of let your brain get scrubbed kind of. Let everything rejuvenate overnight, or whenever you are getting that kind of rest. That’s another aspect of the iRest that is really amazing. It’s offering you the sleep that maybe you’re not getting when you actually should be sleeping. I will say that, that the guy you’re talking about from his testimonial I mean, it’s such a powerful thing.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:16:37    Think about that since Vietnam and where he lost his brother. Think about that. Not being able to sleep through the night all these years. I mean, it’s been a long time and this probably wasn’t the first thing on his mind. Let me check out some meditation. I mean, that’s just usually not the first thing on someone’s mind.. But this protocol really is meant for you. It’s meant for vets for active duty, it’s meant for people that are experiencing shift work, knowing that this kind of brain recovery is possible from just such a simple practice. Then you’re just literally putting in your earbuds and giving a listen and just kind of going with my voice.  I always tell people, sometimes you might find that I just put you to sleep a little too quickly or something.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:17:29    That’s okay. You might work up to being able to stay alert enough, be relaxed, but alert enough that you can get through the whole meditation. Now, if it’s asleep meditation, I’m trying to get you to sleep. It’s okay. There’s really no wrong way to experience it, which is nice. We’re just welcoming and meeting whatever is coming up for you at that moment. That’s another nice part of it too. You don’t have to feel like you have to try harder or strive towards something. It’s really just giving you some time of absolute breast.   

Scott DeLuzio   00:18:10   It’s actually kind of funny the way you put that. If it’s a sleep meditation, you’re trying to put the person to sleep.  My wife and I found a podcast and I forgot the name of it. Now I’m going to look it up and put it in the show notes. But, there’s a podcast where there’s stories that this host reads, but she writes them and writes these stories and then she reads them, but they’re all designed to get people to fall asleep. They’re just boring mundane stories that are not really all that exciting. There’s no action going on in these stories. it helps people to fall asleep and we joke like, so what is your job?  

Scott DeLuzio     00:19:04    If you’re at a dinner party or whatever, what is your job? I put people asleep. It’s funny, but it’s also needed too because there’s so many people like this person that you’re talking about since Vietnam has probably been struggling to get that rest that he needs. I know there’s plenty of veterans who are coming out of these recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and places where they’re also having these troubles. Quite frankly, some of these people started 20 years ago, when these were started and Vietnam obviously much longer. Desert Storm, things like that are much longer ago. It’s time to get some rest if it’s time to unwind and get some rest.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:20:04    I feel like if you’re struggling and you’re having this trouble with rest, with pain, any of the things that you mentioned that can help with anxiety. Why not give it a try? See if it helps you and like you said the more you do it, the more it helps. It’s one of those things where maybe you’re going to want to try it a few dozen times just to get that benefit. Just give it a try and you’re right. We can carve that time out. We can not watch another show on Netflix. We can find that time, if we want to improve, we kind of have to put the work in.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:21:01     We definitely could find the time. I would love it if you would be able to give us an example of what people can expect from iRest and maybe a short session or meditation that you could maybe offer us if you’re able to do that. Depending on how this goes, I might even take this segment of this episode and put it as a standalone episode on the YouTube channel. People can go back and check that out and just listen to that. If that’s helpful to them, then hopefully they can reach out to you. I’ll give you time after this to tell people where they can reach out to you, but they can reach out to you to get even more benefit and more practice through you.  If you wouldn’t mind giving us an example of what people can expect from iRest, I would really appreciate it.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:22:05    Yeah, absolutely. Wherever you are right now, just let yourself get a little bit more comfortable in your seat. Even if you’re walking, that’s fine, but if you are seated or you’re able to even lie down, feel free. As you’re getting yourself, even 10% more comfortable than you are right now, just slowly let your senses begin to come alive. Maybe noticing the sounds down the hall sounds outside your window. Notice if there’s any sounds that you’re kind of choosing, or maybe refusing something you would rather not be hearing like, something being cut down outside. Like I was hearing outside of my window earlier.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:23:11    Just noticed that maybe some sounds from within it might be digestion, maybe some cooking and cracking of the bones. As you move around a little bit, just welcoming any sounds that are present. You could have your eyes open or closed, whatever feels right to you. If the eyes are open, just notice the light in the space you’re in. If the eyes are closed, maybe noticing how the light kind of dances behind the eyelids, or maybe there’s dark shapes. They’re seeing there might be a residual taste in the mouth from something you had to eat or drink earlier.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:24:18    Notice the sensation of the body resting on the surface. That’s supporting you. Maybe even the touch of air against your skin, maybe across the face or the hands, just noticing. Does it feel warm or cool? Just helping the body move from this thinking mind into the felt senses in the body. If you’re familiar with OODA loop, this is kind of like slowing down and stretching out that first phase, but observation using all of your senses, instead of doing that rapidly in this iRest, we’re just stretching that out, really turning into all of these semantic felt senses in the body.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:25:42    You might notice how the body is just breathing itself. There’s no striving here; you might notice a gentle rise and fall of the breath and the body you might feel higher up in the chest. You might feel it more in the belly or the intercostals and the side ribs, maybe even the back, just noticing the breath here. You might invite in an, for this brief practice, something maybe that you really need right now, and something might come to mind. If not, that’s okay. Just let the question. What do I really need right now? Be the intention. Sometimes in the stillness of practice, that intention, what you’re really looking for, whether it’s ease or patients or whatever it might be, you can just work its way to the surface through this stillness.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:27:31    For a moment, I’ll invite you to connect with something that we call your inner resource. This place within that has just never been touched by the stress of your everyday life. It’s a place that is always at ease, where there’s always a sense of this okayness, where everything is okay. To do that, we use a memory and it can be something in their memory, or it could be something that you imagined.  I wonder if you could connect with a time when you felt the most at ease and calm. We’re just a time when things felt okay, notice if a memory comes up for you.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:28:37    If it does notice where you are, who you’re with, maybe the sounds around you when you’re in that place. Is there a taste that you associate with this place or a smell and stay with that noticing where you’re feeling the sense of calm and ease in the body? If a memory hasn’t come up for you, that’s okay. You might imagine a place or a person, or being with a pet when you feel most calm, or maybe you connect with a time when you felt really grateful for something. If you’re seeing this in your mind’s eye, notice the colors and the shapes and the texture of anything around you. What can you touch when you envision this place of ease and letting that memory or that connection, it really seep into the body? Let the image go, letting that thinking mind fall back once again. Can you stay with the feeling that everything is okay? If this proves difficult, that’s okay. Just stay with the sensation of your breath and know that in time with practice, the body will help you remember a little bit more of that felt sense of okayness. Notice. If you could describe to yourself, what does this feel like? Is it a warmth? We’re a kind of gentle embrace kind of feeling, and don’t let my words limit. You just kind of notice what it feels like for you  

Jennifer Boileau    00:31:38    Letting this feeling continue to kind of ebb and flow in the body. Just noticing where sensation is coming alive here. Notice if the sensation is moving throughout the body and noticing it by feeling not by thinking body, continuing to breathe itself with no effort here,  

Jennifer Boileau    00:32:37    Maybe feeling that sensation of melting just a little bit more into your seat, feeling this gentle relaxation, washing over the body.  I might draw your attention to sensation now in the mouth, noticing any sensation at all. That’s coming alive here, sensation in the tongue, the teeth, the gums. Notice how if you stay in a particular area, kind of like walking into a dark room, give yourself a few moments to let your eyes adjust. Then suddenly you can see much clearer as we move through sensation. Notice if you stay how more and more sensation can reveal itself to you, maybe noticing the sensation of the eyes, the eyelids, the jaw, no tension here, sensation on the top of the head back of the neck, sensation in the throat, and then maybe it drops into the chest area, front side of the chest alive with feeling shoulders again, that thinking mind falls back, let the sensation move in the body by feeling notice. If you bring your attention into the shoulders, can you gently let that sensation travel down through the biceps, elbows, the forearms, the top side of the hands, the palms of the hands? I’m moving a little quickly through these areas now that you can do this with yourself outside of this practice, where you just draw your attention to a particular area of the body and just stay. Keep your attention here. See how sensation will reveal itself to you. If you just sit with it, sensation through the back. Now, trapping down into the hips  

Jennifer Boileau    00:36:24    Then slowly your attention and awareness drops into the FYS down through the knees,  lower legs alive with feeling Sensation through the ankles, the top sides of the feet. Soul’s at the feet now, and sensation alive from the top of the head all the way down and out through the toes, the whole body alive or feeling here. Notice if you could describe it, is there a texture to the sensation? This felt a sense of a liveliness. The body just breeds itself. You might experience sensation now just on the right side of the body, and then shifting your attention to the left side of the body alive with feeling sensation across just the front of the body. Now the backside of the body, back of the head all the way down through the heels. You might notice this a liveliness on the outer edges of the skin, that space where you end and the air begins not border and boundary of the body might feel a little less clear  

Jennifer Boileau  00:39:28  If any thoughts have been coming into your mind if any thoughts have been interrupting, allow yourself to just welcome any thoughts that are working their way into your awareness. Just maybe ask yourself, do I need to attend to this right now? Or can I let this pass on through? It’s kind of like you’re the sky and everything else is just the weather, right? There might be something, an emotion that arises or a thought that intrudes and comes in that maybe you didn’t want let the storm kind of come on through and then just work its way right out. What’s left is still the sky, right? What still remains is left this awareness that you are more than that experience or that intrusive thought you are someone experiencing that emotion. You don’t have to fuse with. It wants to create just enough space to disidentify with not this associate. I’m not refusing it, but just identifying that I’m experiencing this, but this is not me. I am the sky here. I am this place that knows that that inner resource, right, that place where everything is, okay, that’s you all the time. It’s just the coverings of stress and all of the things, maybe not sleeping or those intrusive thoughts that kind of covers it up. In practice, we just peel back these layers, not the teach you something new, but to remind you of, what’s always present  

Jennifer Boileau    00:41:45    This inner resource you have within this place where everything is always okay.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:42:06    You might let yourself feel that one more time, really inviting that inner resource back in and knowing that you can change that memory every time you experience this, it’s not the memory that’s important. It’s that felt sense in the body that we want to connect back with so that if you are experiencing pain or intrusive thoughts or whatever might be coming up for you, that you can always fall back into this inner resource, reconnect with your breath, reconnect with sensation, and then return back to whatever is at hand and it’s always present.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:43:00    You might see yourself in your mind’s eye now going on about your day, knowing that you have these tools available to yourself, knowing you can drop into this inner resource. Anytime it’s always here. You might slowly begin to notice those sounds around you. Once again, hearing someone in the next room or outside your window, maybe just noticing the quiet in this patient and feeling that surface beneath you. That’s been supporting you. If your eyes are closed, you might want to gently flutter your eyes open just to readjust to the light, or you can stay wherever you are.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:44:04    Thank you for joining me for that brief practice. We touched on some of the aspects of the protocol. I do have, ways to incorporate different aspects like sleep or stress or pain or, overwhelm we can weave in different aspects, to move through, but always knowing that if you could reframe the intrusive thought and instead of being kind of upset that maybe something keeps coming back or a re-experiencing is happening, again and again, knowing that you can reframe it and shift it to be a pointer, let it be a messenger that says, Hey, you need to go back and notice your breath right now. It kind of gives you some ownership instead of feeling like things are happening to you. Let it be the reminder that you can go back inward and you can be safe with yourself. You can experience your inner resource and that you do have that within, even though maybe you don’t feel like it, maybe you don’t feel okay all the time knowing that that is just beneath all of this stuff. If you can use that as a pointer, go back to your breath, go back to a somatic experience in the body.  

Jennifer Boileau   00:45:36    That’s everything. All right. Thank you.  

Scott DeLuzio    00:45:42    Well, thank you, I think that was a good example of what iRest can do and how it will help people over time as they start to use that practice and start to incorporate it into their life. Get back in touch with what they’re experiencing., I’m gonna take this and use this in a standalone thing on the YouTube channel. That way, people can refer to it and see what this type of thing can do. Whether it’s sleep or anxiety or whatever it is that people are experiencing pain, things like that can be tailored to the individual into what they’re experiencing.  

Scott DeLuzio    00:46:48   I really want to encourage people to reach out to you so that they can get the benefits of that tailored kind of individualized practice. but would you be able to tell people where they can go to get in touch with you and how you work with people who may not be a local to you? They can come in and see you in person, but if someone is on the other side of the country or, or something like that, how do you work with those types of people. Is that still something that you can still work with those people?  

Jennifer Boileau   00:47:35    Yeah, absolutely. I work with people, more often than not over the phone. So we either do a zoom session like this,  I have some clients where I just call them and we have sessions over the phone. It’s really a way that I can connect and find out what’s going on with you. What are the biggest things that are weighing on you? What are you seeing? That’s coming up for you over and over, and how can we address that through the lens of iRest? It’s just like experiencing an audio, practice only I’m doing something that’s tailored to you. I do have people I work with that are literally all over the world and that’s how we connect. That’s something that’s available and I always have free consultations. That’s no obligation to anyone to continue with anything, if you’d just like me to point you in a direction or share some free resources with you, I’m always happy to do that.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:48:39    Please never feel like you can’t reach out to just ask me some questions. I’m always happy to help be a resource as well. I have on my website, there’s ways to connect with me. It’s Jenniferboileau.com and I tend to be more on Instagram than Facebook, but I am in both places. It’s just Jen Boileau, you put in my name, you’ll find me. We can set up a time to talk, see what might be useful to you. I do have a SoundCloud account that has some free meditations on there. If there’s something specific that I have marked as private, because I did it, for a particular client or whatnot, but it’s really applicable to you we can connect and I can send you a direct link, to experience that type of practice. So I’m always happy to be a resource in any way that I can. If I can’t support you in a way that you need to be supported, I’m part of a huge network of people who are all in supporting our vets, military, and first responders. I’m happy to find a way to connect you with the right people.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:49:52    Well, thank you again for coming on and sharing this practice with us. I’m sure it’s going to help plenty of people.  Especially when it’s one of those things that could be done from the comfort of your home. Some people may not feel comfortable traveling out to, go meet in person with certain people and have the ability to do this. Technology is so great these days where we can be on the other side of the country and still meet face to face in this way,  or over the phone, or however, it is that people want to utilize the services that you offer. Even like you mentioned there are some free resources out there. So if people are financially not able to go for that more personalized approach, they may still be able to get some of the benefits of this through some of those resources that you mentioned.  

Scott DeLuzio     00:50:54    Thank you again for coming on and sharing where people can get in touch with you and find out more about this.  I will have links to your website and social media in the show notes and the SoundCloud account as well. People can check that out first and get in touch with you to really find the benefits that this practice offers, and all the other work that you do as well. We mentioned some of that other stuff in the previous episode. And again, that episode will be linked in the show notes, so people can go back and listen to that one, if they haven’t already, which by this point in the episode, I was hoping that they would not go back and listen to it anyways, but again, it’s been a pleasure speaking with you. I really do appreciate it. Thank you again for coming on.  

Jennifer Boileau    00:51:50    Yeah. Thank you so much for having me again, and I hope it’s helpful for your listeners then  

Scott DeLuzio     00:51:56    I’m sure that it will be. Thank you. Thanks for listening to the Drive On Podcast. If you want to check out more episodes or learn more about the show, you can visit our website DriveOnPodcast.com. We’re also on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and YouTube at Drive On Podcast.

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