Episode 191 Karen Owoc How to Add Quality Years To Your Life Transcript
This transcript is from episode 191 with guest Karen Owoc.
Scott DeLuzio 00:00:00 Thanks for tuning into the Drive On Podcast, where we’re focused on giving hope and strength to the entire military community. Whether you’re a veteran, active duty, guard, reserve, or family member, this podcast will share inspirational stories and resources that are useful to you. I’m your host, Scott DeLuzio. Now let’s get on with the show. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Drive On Podcast. Today, my guest is Karen Owoc. Karen is a clinical exercise psych physiologist at the VA in Palo Alto, California. She’s also a weekly health contributor to KRON-TV in the San Francisco Bay area. Also the author of the book athletes in aprons. The nutrition playbook to break 100. I’m really happy to have her on today because not only does she work with the VA, with a number of veterans, out there in the San Francisco area, she also is on a mission to really help people improve their health and live a better healthier life, adding quality to the years of our life, not just the quantity. Welcome to the show. Karen, I’m glad to have you here.
Karen Owoc 00:01:15 Well, thank you so much for having me. It’s a pleasure.
Scott DeLuzio 00:01:19 For the listeners, thank you
Scott DeLuzio 00:01:23 Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that. For the listeners who may not be in the Bay area, who maybe haven’t seen you on television why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background?
Karen Owoc 00:01:38 As you mentioned, I’m a clinical exercise physiologist. I specialize in cardio pulmonary rehab. My patients all have some type of cardiac event, or I’d say a majority of them have C O P D so emphysema and, um, that’s with the VA. I’ve also worked as you mentioned. Those segments are about seven minutes that we do every Sunday. It can be seen live no matter where you are. If you ever wanna tune in. It covers all aspects of health from health, exercise, nutrition, longevity,, taking what I do is some science-based, study or whatever is currently interesting. I pair that down into six minutes.
Scott DeLuzio 00:02:41 It seems like a tough thing to do is to take some of these big topics and pair ’em down to the short, segments that you have on the television for just a brief period of time, but also making it useful so that the viewers are able to walk away with something that they can use in their own life.
Karen Owoc 00:03:01 I always try to have some type of takeaway at the end, so there is something positive that people can do.
Scott DeLuzio 00:03:11 With your work at the VA, you mentioned that you deal with people who have had a number of issues, I have to imagine some of these health topics that you talk about on TV also bleed over into the work that you do at the VA. Is that right?
Karen Owoc 00:03:30 Absolutely. I also didn’t mention stress management too. Most of my vet veterans are Vietnam combat vets. They still have, are suffering from PTSD in that trauma. One of the interesting things about veterans is that just being a veteran, having veteran status is a risk factor for heart disease, stress, the trauma, and that it’s continuous. It doesn’t really stop once you leave. Is that true?
Scott DeLuzio 00:04:12 That’s true.
Karen Owoc 00:04:14 I always said we should have whenever you feel out a questionnaire are, do you have high blood pressure? It should also have veteran status because just having veteran status alone puts you in a different category. There’s so many diseases and conditions that veterans suffer from.
Scott DeLuzio 00:04:37 The people that you work with, of a Vietnam era, people who have come back from overseas, they didn’t exactly have the same level of treatment available to them back then that they do now. Even issues that maybe could have been caught earlier in their life, they’re maybe not getting caught until now when they’re in their sixties, seventies, eighties, and t that just doesn’t sit right. It took this long to have someone like yourself who is there now to help them along but all those years have gone by here they are now finally being able to work through some of these issues.
Karen Owoc 00:05:23 That internal turmoil, that’s very devastating to the health of the veteran as well. It’s really sad to see because their lives, the way they live their life now is the consequence of how they’ve lived their life, not only from their military service, but after that as well.
Scott DeLuzio 00:05:50 In dealing with the stresses of combat, the PTSD of issues that they might have been dealing with back then, and not even that far back, but the attitude was sort of just like, oh, we’ll suck it up and deal with it. Just be a man, deal with it. That kind of thing.
Scott DeLuzio 00:06:13 That’s not the best way to deal with those things.
Karen Owoc 00:06:18 I know many of our patients, they still have difficulty expressing and talking about it just. It’s still very deep and raw to them and the treatment they received, not medical treatment, but the treatment from the Americans when they came home and that’s very painful.
Scott DeLuzio 00:06:44 I’m very grateful for having served during a time where people were very appreciative of our service. whether they were for the war that we fought in or not, they still respected the military. They still were there at the airports greeting the troops. They were still, attending the parades and the, the services and all the, the things that were, were taking place. They weren’t taking issue with the individual soldiers or Marines or airmen.
Scott DeLuzio 00:07:16 Or spitting on them or beating them up, whatever, being Afraid to wear their uniform
Scott DeLuzio 00:07:23 could walk out in public wearing your uniform, not being afraid that you’re gonna get assaulted or have a crowd of people coming, circling around you. I’m very appreciative of the way that society has evolved to that point. But my gosh,I can only imagine the people coming back from Vietnam who not only just saw literal hell. Going through that, and then coming back home and being treated like a second class citizen being treated like their lower than dirt. That to me just doesn’t sit right. It can’t have sat right. With them either. I’m sure that contributed to a lot of the issues that they had going forward.
Karen Owoc 00:08:12 It is right. Just a little bit about our program. It is home based. It is not facility based. It’s very different because a lot of our veterans don’t live near a VA hospital. So they can’t get the treatment that they need. I either talk to them for our program for 14 weeks, it is all by phone or all by video. We do face to face by video or by phone and that’s it. I’ve found ways to be able to adapt to that and also, even test them over the phone and test their functionality, test their ability to exercise over the phone, or even by video. It’s a great program. I do want veterans to know that it’s out there because you can get treatment. You don’t have to live near a clinic. You don’t have to live near a VA to get treatment. I’ve had our veterans say, Karen, you’ve changed my life. That is the most inspiring thing for me to hear, but it just makes me feel so good that they’ve gone from being depressed, isolated to being able to function again, being able to walk their dog again. It’s really amazing.
Scott DeLuzio 00:09:44 I know, especially in the last couple of years with, the COVID 19 and everything, and if there was a lot of restrictions in terms of where people could go and what they could do and all that kind of stuff, and this type of thing, being able to be offered over the phone or online through a video call, it really had no, no impact on that type of, of service, I would imagine. Because everyone is gonna be at their home anyways.
Karen Owoc 00:10:16 We’ve actually had outpatient programs contact us because we were the model. We had this going already and they’re saying, how are you doing this? How’s it done and what do you do? We kind of paved the way and we have a program. We don’t have many programs on the west coast. There are a lot of clustered programs in the Midwest and east coast. We’re growing though. We’re growing out.
Scott DeLuzio 00:10:50 I would imagine is available to people across this country, no matter where they they’re are located they can still find a VA hospital in their area that maybe it’s a hour drive away or two hours or, or more to this hospital, but they can still get an appointment with someone like yourself who can work with them over the phone or online.
Karen Owoc 00:11:14 We try to stay regional, like Northern California, but I’ve had patients in Southern California and Las Vegas before. I just want our veterans to know there is help out there. It’s all one on one. I know there are some programs that offer zoom classes to exercise classes. It’s a little different because we do the one on one, whereas in, in zoom, you don’t really have those side conversations in a group.
Scott DeLuzio 00:11:51 What, what type of activities are you able to do on the phone or online with, with your, the people that you see?
Karen Owoc 00:11:59 We cover four or five different domains, and one is exercise. So with exercise, I first do the functional testing. I test their balance, their strength, their aerobic capacity, all over the phone, their abilities should walk over the phone. I design an exercise prescription for them, and some just walk from room to room. If they have really advanced pulmonary disease, that’s all that they can do at first. We really tailor it to what the veteran’s starting point is. I have one veteran now. He was in the Marine Corps. He used to lift in the Marine Corps and that’s all he wanted to do.But he had a heart attack at 35. He wasn’t sure what he could do. But he’s lifting weights again. He’s gonna be playing basketball soon with his family. Some weekly tournaments. It is trying to really dive deep into what gets the veteran excited. I always say, what is it that you really love to do? Or did you have a hobby sometimes they even forget they even had these special interests at one time.
Scott DeLuzio 00:13:31 I know that from personal experience and from talking to other people that is the case. I wanna get into your book a little bit. The name of the book for the listeners is Athletes in Aprons, The Nutrition Playbook to Break 100. I’ll be honest, when I first read the name of your book. I said to my wife that I know a few people who need a golf playbook to break a hundred on the course. It’s not a golf book. It has nothing really necessarily specifically to do with golf. This is talking about breaking past that century, mark living a healthy lifestyle, able to get up to that a hundred year mark, in your life. I think I said in the beginning of this episode, it’s not necessarily just adding the quantity of years, but the quality of the years as well. Tell us about how this playbook can help us avoid some of the common issues that come along with aging.
Karen Owoc 00:14:36 For context, you read a little bit, I approached it from a different angle. It’s not a textbook, it’s not a cookbook, it’s not an exercise book.What the physicians have been, who’ve read it. They tell me it’s a lifestyle guide. It goes into some little bit of mindfulness, but in the first introductory chapters, like you had mentioned it, it goes into the foundational science, why we age, because once we understand why we age, then we can take action steps to change it. The way we live.most six outta 10 Americans have some type of lifestyle disease. That means they are suffering from something as a result of their lifestyle. Cardiovascular disease, lung disease and dementia to people, people think about dementia. They think, well, when it’s my time, it’s my time. But that’s not true. That’s not true. All the studies point to the association between lifestyle and dementia.
Scott DeLuzio 00:15:48 We were talking before we started recording and you mentioned how you intentionally wrote this in an easy to understand format in a, in a, you mentioned some of the science behind it, but it’s not a science textbook. You don’t go into super technical things like that. It reads like a book, from the parts that I’ve read so far, it reads in an enjoyable, easy to understand format. When I first started reading it I saw a few of the words were on there, and you’re talking about some of them, the cells and things like that. I’m like, okay, where’s she going with this? But then it was relatable. It was useful information. You explained things in a way that just makes sense.
Scott DeLuzio 00:16:41 I had to really dive too far back into my high school biology class to try to understand what it was that you’re trying to explain here. To me, it was very encouraging. It made me want to stick with it, and read more and learn more about what’s going on with the whole process. Like you said, you start off by explaining what causes the aging process to take place. Tell us a little bit about the book and kind of what people can expect from it.
Scott DeLuzio 00:17:18 I approached it first, I was very involved in sports. That’s why you’ll hear all my little sports comments, it has a little more of a sports speak to it, and it’s all about being able to play longer, being able to not only live longer, but I always reference it as being able to play longer well play if you’re a golfer, being able to play, when you’re 80 to nineties and beyond. Just to kind of take it back a little, when I was working in a hospital setting or with the cardiac patients, we had this big whiteboard in the cardiac rehab room. I took upon myself to have a topic of the week and I’d write a bullet of points. At the end of the program, which was three months long, I had at the exit interview, I had asked our patients, well what is it that you like the most about cardiac rehab?
Karen Owoc 00:18:22 I thought they’d say something like, Hey, I feel like I’m healthier than I was before I had a heart attack. I thought that’s what they would say. They said, you’re whiteboard. That was their favorite thing. The fact that they thought it was a fun class, he says, we thought you’re funny. That kind of made me think since most of my patients are men and they said, they, I said, why they’re willing to learn and they’re willing to read, but whatever is thrown at them, it needs to be friendly, reader friendly needs to be concise. It can’t be overly complicated and it has to have some humor in it. That’s how I came to write it the way I did.
Scott DeLuzio 00:19:11 It definitely does have some humor. I think that just in the first couple pages that it already had me chuckling at some of the little things I forget specifically what it was that got me going. But, there were just a few things in there that captured my attention because of the humor that was used in it just drew me in. This playbook is something that can help with your overall health, everything from the cognitive issues that you’re talking about, like your, your, your brain function and heart disease weight gain, muscle loss, agility, all of these things that typically you think of as when someone is getting older, these are all the things that decline or increase, depending on weight gain, you typically see that going up.
Scott DeLuzio 00:20:02 I was always curious about this and people started living longer. there is no doubt that we’re adding to the quantity of, of the years that people live. We’ve seen that the average life expectancy has gone up over time. But when the last years of our life are spent cooped up in a nursing home, and always just wondered, are we really adding to the quality of the life that we’re living? This playbook shows people how to add that quality functional, to their lives as opposed to just adding the quantity of years, but you’re stuck in bed, or you’re stuck in a wheelchair, and you can’t do the functional things that you would like to be doing.
Karen Owoc 00:20:57 I’m so passionate about the mission behind this whole book, how to live longer without growing older, that is the mission. because my entire career has spent in cardiac rehab and cardiopulmonary rehab, and seeing the change, seeing how even four weeks of intensive ch lifestyle change can have an impact on the quality of life. I meet people after they’ve had their heart attack after they’ve had open heart surgery or heart transplant. Starting from that point and seeing that they can get better. It’s just a matter of knowing how to understand why they are in the position that they’re in and why they have aches and pains all the time. Oftentimes I will ask, well tell me about what you eat every day. That is very revealing.
Scott DeLuzio 00:22:08 Because the person who doesn’t exercise and is eating Oreos and Doritos and drinking Coke or Mountain Dew, or whatever, as opposed to fresh fruits and vegetables and drinking lots of water, they’re gonna have two totally different outcomes. Those two people. but it is interesting to see what people think of as being healthy. As opposed to what actually it means to be healthy. You hear about people sometimes who eat a lot of bread and pastas and things like that, which in moderation. I don’t understand why I continue gaining all this weight? It’s like, I thought I was eating healthy, but really it’s not right.
Karen Owoc 00:23:04 This isn’t a diet. I say this in the book that diets make you fat. I mean, those are the things that drive you to eat and eat excessively because people would not be overweight if they were eating due to physiological hunger. It’s that emotional eating that is causing the weight gain, causing those emotional binges. A lot of our veterans suffer from that because of the psychological stress that they’re under and that’s not, oh, and it’s suppressed. I said just in the, in the years I’ve taught, that in order to combat emotional eating, you first have to recognize that you’re doing it most people don’t. So keeping a diary of not everything you eat, but like when you have a certain craving for those Oreos that are sitting in my cabinet over there, what is it that you’re feeling at that moment?
Karen Owoc 00:24:07 Chart that down, where are you sitting? Are you sitting on the sofa? There are all these little triggers that people don’t realize. What they say to me is I’m so weak. I’m just, so I’m such a failure. I told myself I’m never going to eat those Oreos again, but I do. They don’t quite understand what’s going on. That there’s a lot underlying that’s causing those actions. I think a lot of people do know, well, the healthier things are the fruits and vegetables, but why, why do they not eat them all the time? That was the point too, about the book is to understand why these foods are contributing to aging because once, once they understand that and PE people tell me that, oh, now I understand. Now it makes sense. Maybe next time I’m not gonna be so prone to wanna grab that I’m under that’s gonna cause my wrinkles.
Scott DeLuzio 00:25:12 I think the best part of this book is that it talks about the, the why and, and the what is, what is the good stuff and not necessarily, Eat this.
Scott DeLuzio 00:25:29 Not like a definite prescription, this is your meal plan for the week, but it’s in general, the green leafy vegetables and the fruits and the things like that, it tells you in general, this is kind of what you’re looking for. But like you said, not in a diet format because diets don’t work you’re right. They don’t work. They call ’em yo yo diets for a reason because your weight goes up and down and up and down and up and down.
Karen Owoc 00:26:01 I see it all the time. I’m gonna try this. It’s usually because they are looking for some quick fix. Those quick fixes are not fixing the problem.
Scott DeLuzio 00:26:15 It’s a temporary thing where yes, you might lose weight in the short term, but long term, you’re gonna go back to your old ways of eating and you’re gonna end up gaining weight. I, if, if not gaining all that back, possibly even then, then even more Then what, where did you start? That’s not where you want to be. looking at the little changes that you can make in your diet, your exercise and your, just your overall, wellbeing creates a much more sustainable, yes. Way of staying healthy. I think that’s something that this book does pretty well. One thing I wanted to clarify too, is the title of this book Is Athletes in Aprons that’s part of the title.
Scott DeLuzio 00:27:08 Now we’re not all professional athletes, probably very few of the people listening to this podcast would identify themselves as an athlete. They may have played a sport when they were younger. If they were in the military, they were athletic to some degree because of the physical fitness requirements and all that kind of stuff, and even if they still play a sport in their adult years, they may not identify necessarily as an athlete. You do a good job of defining what an athlete is in this context, as far as the context of this book what is that definition and how can people see themselves as an athlete?
Karen Owoc 00:27:51 I’m glad you brought that up because unless I define what an athlete is, and it’s not defined by the uniform you wear, by how many points you score, or how much money you make as an athlete, it all has to do with perseverance. If you have that drive, if you persevere, if you want to be better than you were yesterday, you are an athlete. So people that have cancer and there’s striving and fighting, and they persevere, they are athletes. The athlete Lenox club, it’s not so exclusive, but it’s more inclusive. It includes the people with cancer includes the people with cardiovascular disease includes the people that are 50 and over and striving to be better. And how healthier those are, the people that are true athletes, in my opinion.
Scott DeLuzio 00:28:50 It does make sense because if you look at any professional athlete, whether it’s professional basketball or baseball, hockey, football, whatever the sport is, they all have worked hard to you improve themselves to get better day after day after day, they’re, they’re going to the gym, they’re watching what they eat. They’re going to the trainers. They’re doing the work they’re putting in to improve themselves. Get to be the best version of themselves, practicing their craft, their sport. They’re doing it over and over and over; they’re not sitting back and just resting and letting life happen to them.They’re putting in that effort.I think you made a good example with them, like a cancer patient, someone who is diagnosed with cancer, and that’s not an easy thing to get through.
Scott DeLuzio 00:29:46 they’re gonna have to struggle. They’re gonna have to fight to get over that cancer. Whether it involves a surgery or chemotherapy or, or changing their, changing their diet and changing,all of that stuff, it could involve that stuff, but it is that persistence, you could just as easily just say what, I had a good run and I quit, and this is it. This is the end of the road for me. That type of person probably wouldn’t be labeled as an athlete in your book. That type of person is the type of person who isn’t that persistent but the person who’s showing up day after day, putting in the work, fighting for that better result, that person is the athlete. And there’s a very close parallel. Whether you pick up a, a bat or a ball or a racket or a club, whatever the, the thing is whether you do that or not, really doesn’t matter. There’s another way of looking at being an athlete. and I think you even mentioned in, in your book if you
Scott DeLuzio 00:30:55 If you have a body. If you go swimming or it could be hunting or fishing, or anything that you’re doing, that could be a sport as well. We’re all athletes, in one way or another.
Karen Owoc 00:31:10 Labels are pretty meaningful. In cardiac rehab, I call them my cardiac athletes they’re working hard every day and all. I first used that term and their eyes lit up. I had quite a few veterans in this one particular group, cuz this was an outpatient hospital setting and their eyes lit up and, and they were no longer patients, patients who are pretty much sick and just, you think of a patient as someone that’s lying in a hospital bad really But you call ’em cardio athletes and it’s just like, Hey, what do you want from me next?
Scott DeLuzio 00:31:58 A lot of that is just the mindset too. If you think of yourself as a patient, like that picture that you have of someone sick in a hospital bed with the tubes coming out of ’em and the all the, the gown and all that kind of stuff that is a pretty depressing picture to have painted.
Karen Owoc 00:32:15 You kind of think of the patient as someone that just takes who is not proactive, but is just following orders. It’s the complete opposite of what we’re talking about is the athlete.
Scott DeLuzio 00:32:32 The athlete is the person who’s being proactive. Getting out there trying to get ahead of whatever it is that they’re they’re into whether it’s recovering from an illness or an injury or, or whatever or getting better at a, a sport or their career or whatever it it’s, it’s that type of person.
Karen Owoc 00:32:52 One of the physicians that read this book and this should be, this should be required reading for some of these 20, 30 year olds, not waiting until you’re 50, 60, but to start this early. I actually had when a fellow came to me and he said, I’m gonna read your book cuz I’m feeling really old and he’s 30 years old and I said, well, go have at it. That’s the perfect time to start really? It was affecting his golf game. He was concerned cuz he was feeling old and his golf game was not, not as, as, as good as he once was,
Scott DeLuzio 00:33:38 Well, it’s good that people do start off earlier. Trying to give themselves that healthier life through their twenties, thirties, forties, and beyond. What about the people who are in their sixties, seventies, eighties, who are now realizing I’m not as young as I once was and things aren’t working quite the way that they used to.Is it too late for people who are that old or absolutely. They still have hope.
Karen Owoc 00:34:09 Absolutely not. There is a saying that most of our veterans that we’re in a program are 60, 70 even eighties and they show improvement as long as they put in the effort to try to eat more, sometimes I just have to start gently. I said, okay. So because we set goals every week and they’re in each domain. For the nutrition goal, how about adding two vegetables a day. Is that doable, and then they start and then they realize I had this one veteran who said he was so depressed. All he did was sit in his Lazyboy and the more depressed you’re really not motivated to move. He said I was just sinking deeper and deeper until you called, and having some kind of motivation, gave you those assignments.
Karen Owoc 00:35:12 I know veterans are very mission driven, so they get their assignment. We come to those agreements, another care plan together because I want it to be doable. But after he got started, he’s like a whole new person and he said, my life has changed. He’s not even vintage with the program yet, but he goes, I’m moving, I’m walking. I feel he goes, I feel good. Even though he has some other conditions, plaguing him, he feels so much better. His spirit is much more uplifted. It’s amazing what, a little better nutrition and some better exercise. I say nutrition and exercise are like two wheels on a bicycle. If one is faulty and in or inadequate, you end up with a dysfunctional bicycle. They work together.
Scott DeLuzio 00:36:09 It works for the overall wellbeing of these people. It’s not just the physical health, but as you mentioned with the, the person who was depressed and sitting at home and encouraged to get up off the couch and do anything and COVID also I’m sure. And that COVID made a lot of things worse for a lot of people, but it also helped improve his mental state as well. That’s a very important thing because without the mental state of being there to persevere and want to have that drive to keep going, then a lot of this is just not gonna stay with people. But, when you improve on that mental state, then you start thinking to yourself, okay, well maybe there is something else that I can do here to make some improvements and have a happier, healthier life.
Karen Owoc 00:37:12 That is so important because the research does show that depression causes brain changes in the brain. Well, atrophy shrinkage, that means dementia. So, seeing these links, it’s really important, so important to kind of get out of that funk, and exercise is one way and eating well is another way you, what you, what you eat becomes a part of you. That’s really important to make sure all those things that you put in count.
Scott DeLuzio 00:37:48 I know for one thing, when my time on earth is up, I wanna be sliding into the grave going a hundred miles an hour with my hair on fire saying, man, that was one hell of a ride. I don’t wanna be the stereotypical old guy that we were talking about before. Who’s, being helped out of his wheelchair and, or hobbling along
Karen Owoc 00:38:05 help go into the bathroom,
Scott DeLuzio 00:38:07 all that kind of stuff. I, that doesn’t interest me at all. But what’s the first step for someone like myself? I’m 40 years old right now. How can I take that first step to, or that I’m healthy 40, 50, even 60 years from now,
Karen Owoc 00:38:24 It’s reading the book but understanding all those mechanisms that cause aging and what even medications, I don’t know if you got to that chapter or I list all the medications. The science does show that these medications that are so common, I see them every day with our, our veterans that they’re taking that’s causing aging, that’s causing damage to the mitochondria. Understanding you wanna be as clean as possible, try and get off as many medications as possible. Blood pressure is something that’s very manageable. Also understanding why your arteries get stiff. One of those, and that’s in one of my chapters about sugar, I mean, sugar is one, know the worst things. If you can get all that added sugar outta your diet, that’s going to help with the whole aging process.
Karen Owoc 00:39:26 When people say, oh, I wake up, I’m stiff and sore. Well, that’s what sugar does. Sugar binds with protein. The most prevalent, abundant protein in the body is collagen. Collagen is that stuff that keeps you from wrinkling on the outside, but also doing all the damage on the inside because it causes stiffening, stiffening in the arteries. So the arteries can’t contract and expand like and get a lot of blood through.You’re not getting good blood through the brain. You’re not getting blood through, through the heart your, your joints, your tendons, those are all made of collagen. That becomes stiff. You become a stiff aging human.
Scott DeLuzio 00:40:12 Well, I don’t want to give too much of the book or way. That’s okay. Because I really want people to go out and get a copy of this book. The book again for, for people it’s athletes in aprons, the nutrition playbook to break 100. I have the copy of the book right here. It’s really important, I think, for people to understand what’s going on when they put that, that certain thing in their body, what, what is it doing to you? The, like you said, the sugar when the sugar enters your body, it’s not just that thing that tastes good.that, that sweet, candy or cookies or it’s not just that it, it’s also doing something to the inner workings of your body. I hope that people will go out and get a copy of the book. #here could I wanna give you a chance to let people know, where they can go to find out more about you and also to get a copy of your book.
Karen Owoc 00:41:14 The book is available on Amazon and Barnes and noble. That’s where I post a lot of my videos from the TV segments that we do. There’s a little bit more information about the book, even a sneak peek and, about why I do what I do. What’s driven me to where I am today. That’s all on my website.
Scott DeLuzio 00:41:45 I will have links to all of that, your website and the book on the show notes. Anyone who is interested in taking a look and finding out more information, from that definitely check out the show notes you can click through and get right to where you need to go.Karen, it’s been an absolute pleasure speaking with you today. I really enjoyed this conversation and I’m looking forward to getting more into the book and learning all the things that I’ve been doing wrong all these years and how I can improve myself.
Karen Owoc 00:42:18 The book has a lot of practicality to it. I don’t know if you notice, I do try and tie a couple breaths, cuz there are some recipes in there that tie to that particular topic. So you said, oh, okay. I need to eat more of this particular color because of this. I could go to this recipe. I also list what brands? I’m not affiliated with any companies, but I put in my favorites and things that I’ve already Ko approved. That’s the most valuable thing. Some of the people that have read it said to me, they said, because I, it’s not just putting the information out there, but now I know where to go and I don’t have to do all my own research. I just go to the stock, your locker chapter and I, and look at what to buy
Scott DeLuzio 00:43:11 That’s another useful thing is all the useful ingredients and the foods and everything that you can get from this book. It makes it easier so that you’re not scrambling to come up with the recipes on your own. It helps to figure out what those things are. You can get started and you can always modify it to your own likings and taste and needs,as time goes on, but at least it gives you a good starting point to kickstart your health journey.
Karen Owoc 00:43:47 Yes, absolutely. It’s never too early and it’s never too late to start.
Scott DeLuzio 00:43:53 Well, thank you again, care. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I think this will help out a lot of people and hopefully, give them more quality years later on in their lives.
Karen Owoc 00:44:06 If you have any questions, I’m accessible. My email is on my website. I’m always happy to answer any questions that you might have.
Scott DeLuzio 00:44:17 Excellent. We’ll direct people to your website and hopefully, get people the answers that they’re looking for. Absolutely. Thanks again.
Karen Owoc 00:44:25 Thank you, Scott. Bye bye.
Scott DeLuzio 00:44:27 Thanks for listening to the Drive On Podcast. If you want to check out more episodes or learn more about the show, you can visit our website DriveOnPodcast.com. We’re also on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and YouTube at Drive On Podcast.
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