Episode 193 Mahesh Grossman How to End Anxiety with Hypnotherapy Transcript
This transcript is from episode 193 with guest Mahesh Grossman.
Scott DeLuzio 00:00:00 Thanks for tuning into the Drive On Podcast, where we’re focused on giving hope and strength to the entire military community. Whether you’re a veteran, active duty, guard, reserve, or family member, this podcast will share inspirational stories and resources that are useful to you. I’m your host, Scott DeLuzio. Now let’s get on with the show. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Drive On Podcast. Today, my guest is Mahesh Grossman. Mahesh is a somatic hypnotherapist who specializes in anxiety, depression, and pain management. He’s the author of the One-Minute Anxiety Solution and the creator of the Defy Trauma Course, which features his five-step trauma detox, detox process. His unique approach to healing through hypnosis starts with connecting to and releasing the leftover emotional tension. We hold in our body and use that as a tool to break free of bad habits like smoking and overeating, as well as overcome anxiety and depression and manage pain. Welcome to the show. I’m glad to have you on.
Mahesh Grossman 00:01:10 Thanks for having me, Scott.
Scott DeLuzio 00:01:12 For the listeners who might not be familiar with you, other than what I just said about you, why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background?
Mahesh Grossman 00:01:23 I became a hypnotherapist, basically because I was already doing things like that in the past. I had a therapist I worked with on and off for 15 years who did this form of psychology called body-oriented psychodrama. It was based on something called HAI, which most people don’t know, but it related the body to scenes. You would go back to scenes from your childhood and things like that by connecting to your body. I was really good at it. Partly because I had 300 hours of therapy with this guy. I had private lessons for 300 hours and I was having results and I was in a men’s group and people were telling me, my God, you’re taking me deeper than I go with my own therapist. I had a woman I helped get over her fear of needles that she was a diabetic and she would cry four times a day when she pricked herself to test her blood.
Mahesh Grossman 00:02:26 Four times a day when she gave herself shots. In 10 minutes on the phone, I had taken her away. She got to the root cause of why she was having such an adverse reaction. Within a week she was taking her shots without any problems. Being able to get off insulin. She also lost 160 pounds. She told me what I did with her was the start of her losing the 160 pounds as well. I needed a single to hang my hat on. There’s a law in California that you’re not allowed to deal with a subconscious, unless you’re a psychologist or a hypnotist. I started looking into hypnosis and I found that it was pretty amazing because there were techniques that I wound up being taught in hypnosis school that I already did.
Mahesh Grossman 00:03:22 When we did those techniques, putting someone into a more relaxed state beforehand, the results were absolutely, 10 times better. I thought, well, this is really cool. Plus I learned all kinds of other things, obviously besides what I already knew. So that’s how I became a hypnotist. My practice is focused. I started off being focused on pain management, but I became first, I wound up peeling my own anxiety, which cost me jobs and tens of thousands of dollars because there was such so much stuff there underneath the surface and anxiety and trauma are so interrelated that I do a lot of work with trauma and I found that anxiety and trauma are also underneath pretty much everything. If you are smoking, you’re trying to push down old childhood difficulties. If you are with pain management, it’s really important too, because a lot of pain is there. It’s not so much a psychosomatic quality, but it’s like if you have old trauma and you’re still carrying it in your body, well that’s impacting the tension in your muscles, which is impacting your blood flow and for pain management it’s a really important thing to do.
Scott DeLuzio 00:04:47 It sounds like it’s one of those things that will help out in many different levels of pain that you might be experiencing. It could be physical pain, it could be emotional pain. It could be all sorts of different things that you might be having, but this type of thing just seems like it can help in a lot of different areas. Would you be able to describe exactly what hypnosis is? Because I know for me personally, when I hear the term, “hypnosis”, I think about the TV shows where you see the people walking around clucking like chickens and that kind of thing. That’s not really what it is that you’re talking about here. What is it that you’re talking about and how does that work?
Mahesh Grossman 00:05:35 Well, here’s the thing to know it’s an incredibly normal state. You’re somebody who goes to the movies and you like crying at movies, you’re not crying in real life. You’re being hypnotized into believing, oh my God, something really bad happened to the leading character. Now I’m sad. It’s like Boohoo, who you’ve hypnotized. It’s even weirder with books. Novels, there’s this black and white stuff on a page. The book says she saw a gray rock castle with a cherry red door. A lot of people who love novels, see that gray rock castle with a cherry red door, guess what? That was black and white stuff on PA black stuff on paper. There is no castle, there is no door. If you went to a hypnotherapist, you’d get the same results. I would just say, picture a gray rock castle with a cherry red door.
Mahesh Grossman 00:06:35 Hypnosis is an extraordinarily common state. Also like if you ever got lost in a video game or a book, and somebody’s calling your name and you’re not answering, you don’t hear them. That hypnosis is right. Is a state of complete concentration. Typically I work differently than most hypnotherapists. Sometimes I do the same thing, but so I’m an empath, which means I feel what’s going on in other people’s bodies. This thing happens when I sit with somebody on zoom, where I notice tension in my body that wasn’t there before the session started.it’s so strong that I just have to start that way and even mention it. Usually I’ll ask them to say, Hey, notice where you feel tension in your body right now. Typically it’s either in their chest or their belly or those two main places for emotional stuff.
Mahesh Grossman 00:07:30 We start from there then the very simple next sentence is, notice how old you were the first time you had that sensation in your body, what was happening? That’s how we get to kind of childhood stuff with things like smoking and stuff like that. We do something, we’ll do more visualization stuff, but still it’s like, let’s think about the first time you had a cigarette and what, what did you want? Those are the kinds of things that Hy hypnosis does. It works to heal in, in such profound ways. Because if you can get to the difficult things that happened in the past, you can, they’re gone, they’re over with, but they’re still in your body. We’re going to release the tension that’s left over in your body and we’re gonna change the story of what happened. Let’s say your dad was incredibly critical of you when you were four years old. Well, that criticism is gone. Your dad has had numerous bodies. The cells change over every seven or nine years. Like your dad has had four different bodies, something since that happened, but it’s inside you. It’s your inner dad that we’re working with. That inner dad is a part of you that doesn’t love yourself unconditionally. That’s maintaining kind of a hypnotic trance over you that you need to break.
Scott DeLuzio 00:09:01 What about in cases where stuff has just been pushed back so far and it’s been so long. It could be decades ago that something like this has happened,and maybe the person just doesn’t quite remember it. Is there a way to bring those memories back up to the surface to work on those?
Mahesh Grossman 00:09:21 That’s where the body comes in. There’s this book by Besel Vander cook called the Body Keeps the Score, which is all about body oriented psychology and 17 different approaches to it. The truth is you can find out. It has to go in a certain order and the time has to be right. but if you’re coming to see somebody or if you’ve got the desire or the impulse to come and see something, somebody that’s usually right. I’ve also had the opposite experience in my own life where my ex-wife would talk about being molested by her father.. Over 12 years. Everytime I’d see her talk about her father, I’d see my grandfather’s face. My grandfather and my father-in-law looked nothing alike. I kept saying, did my grandfather molest me?
Mahesh Grossman 00:10:18 I kept getting a no. Then one day I got a yes and all this emotion came with it and it was time, but it wasn’t time yet. But in terms of coming in with getting memories, this body scan thing, when you sit there and go, you notice tension in your solar plexus, which is the mid riff or the between the belly and the chest, there’s some reason it’s there. And so when you ask yourself, how old was I? The first time I had that sensation in my body, a lot of times you’ll get an answer. If you don’t get an answer, I just start splitting the difference. Well, were you below 10 or below, or 10 or above. If you say 10 or above, I’ll say, well, you were you 10 to 20 or 20 or over
Mahesh Grossman 00:11:12 Eventually something shows up and I teach all these things. I teach this entire five step trauma detox process in my defied trauma course, which I’ll tell you people how to get to later on, but it’s a really specific thing. It’s so important to me, I think because when you get triggered also. Say somebody does something and you are really upset. It’s not really about what they did, it’s that they’re bumping against a really bruised place inside you. You can also go, wow, I’m really upset. Where do I feel that upset in my body and how old I had the, when I had the first time when I had that sensation for the first time,
Scott DeLuzio 00:11:59 That’s interesting to think about it that way and kind of walk your steps back to try to figure out when that time frame was. Try to narrow it down that way. Because I know there’s some people who listen to this podcast, especially in the military and the veteran communities, they can probably sometimes pinpoint something very specific, combat related type thing that might be a traumatic incident. They could say yes in April whatever year that this event happened. This is a thing that’s really been keeping me up at night and giving me anxiety and panic attacks and all that kind of stuff. but there may also have been other things in their past, in their childhood, that could also be creeping up and they may not even realize it because they’re just thinking, focusing on that one more recent trauma event and, and not thinking about the, the things that have happened years and years ago. There could be a combination.
Mahesh Grossman 00:13:06 Well, the pain from the present affects that pain. I’ve worked with people who’ve sadly been raped and some of what the pain wasn’t the pain of the rape and something else that was really hard. You heal from both of those places.
Mahesh Grossman 00:13:35 I’ve worked with a lot of PTSD, but not from combat, but I’m assuming that the same kinds of techniques that I do for PTSD from childhood trauma work for combat too.
Scott DeLuzio 00:14:02 I’m through that. A lot of it, I mean, there may be some minor differences here and there. I don’t know, specifically, I’m sure a lot of it is the same because, you’re talking about one traumatic event versus another, there they’re traumatic no matter where you happen to be, whether you were on roadside in Iraq, or if you were in the comfort of your own home they’re traumatic nonetheless. I think there’s probably some overlap there in terms of the treatment and how all of that type of stuff works.
Scott DeLuzio 00:14:40 I am kind of just wondering if this is something that could work for anyone. I would imagine that there’s some people who might be somewhat more resistant to this type of treatment where they’re maybe too wound up and they can’t get in that kind of relaxed state that it requires for this type of thing to work or maybe I’m wrong with that. Maybe it’s something that everyone can work with.
Mahesh Grossman 00:15:10 Nothing works for everybody. Nothing works for everybody, my best clients. I mean, the people I work with that go the farthest, the easiest are people who’ve already done a bunch of therapy. What I do is kind of like post doc work for people, who’ve done therapy. I’ve had clients and one client told me that those four sessions with me were better than 20 years of psychoanalysis that he’d done before. I’ve had other clients where they had no experience. You have to be willing to see that life was bad and life was difficult. You have to be willing to know that some bad things happen to you. You just have to be motivated enough on a certain level and it helps to. You don’t have to be visual, although visual is a nice thing. But there’s what happens if I see a gray rock castle with a cherry red door, and you can sense it being there, but you can’t really see it.
Mahesh Grossman 00:16:18 That’s that’s okay. Or if you can hear, like, I used to be more auditory. I remember seeing the movie, oh, it was a John Grham novel. I was here Ehoopi Goldberg’s voice the whole novel. I went to see the movie and it was Susan and it took me half an hour before I could let Susan be the character. Some people have that kind of auditory experience,
Scott DeLuzio 00:16:50 It’s not for everyone, but it’s something that, certain people, it will resonate with.
Mahesh Grossman 00:17:01 I’d say about 60, 70%. Pain management gets about a 75% success rate nationwide, and this is not real hypnotherapy. This is standardized for science. You say exactly the same thing to everybody, so that it’s measurable.Which is not particularly good hypnosis you wanna customize it to the person you’re dealing with. We see the same kind of results with something like irritable bowel syndrome. It’s a 75% success rate with anxiety. There’s huge results for people who are in the hospital facing surgery, or after they’ve had a heart attack or something like that. There are a lot of statistics that say it works really well, but I wouldn’t trust anything that anybody said worked for everybody.
Scott DeLuzio 00:17:55 I totally agree with that because everybody’s different there, their minds, their experiences, everything that they’ve gone through is different. To say that there’s a one size fits all solution, that would probably set off a few red flags for me. You’re talking about all some of the different types of things that hypnosis is used to deal with. I know there’s a lot of physical and emotional type things that people have used hypnosis for. I also know that there’s probably a lot of the listeners, especially the veterans out there who are being medicated to treat a number of different physical issues, like back in joint pain and things like that, as well as emotional issues, anxiety, depression, PTSD, insomnia even, and things like that. Is hypnosis something that’s gonna help possibly get these people off of those medications? Or is it something that’s used kind of in tandem with the medications that they’re already on.
Mahesh Grossman 00:19:06 You have to work with a doctor with medications because sure. Getting somebody off something is dangerous territory, but people do get relief and they can start lowering your medications and they know don’t do it by yourself.
Mahesh Grossman 00:19:23 I’ve found that, I’ve first off with pain management, you can get to people, some people, the pain completely goes away. I had somebody get over sciatica in one session and neuropathy as well in the next session. I talked to her years later and they were still gone. You can do those things. I had an anger management client that I was working with. When we did that piece of work, he said, oh my God, my back pain that I’ve been carrying around for the last three years is completely gone. We didn’t even do anything, we didn’t do any pain management work at all. We just did the work that was important to do.
Scott DeLuzio 00:20:12 Does it help the source of the pain go away or is it just reframing how they think about the pain and what’s going on in their minds? How does that work?
Mahesh Grossman 00:20:25 Sometimes it seems like magic and I have absolutely no idea what’s going on. With this woman with neuropathy, and almost all of the sciatica in 10 minutes. I was like, wow, what are we gonna do with the rest of the session? That’s pretty fast. Then we did neuropathy and like you used visual images a lot of the time. She was coming up with things that made absolutely no sense because it was her feet and these were way bigger than her feet. She used the green light bulb, the green light bulb they used for veterans to honor veterans somehow. Yes, that’s what she was using. So she had turned off a green light bulb for her sciatica.
Mahesh Grossman 00:21:13 I said, well, let’s do the green light bulb, but put the, imagine two green light bulbs in your feet, but turn them on. As soon as she turned them on, being an empath, my feet and legs started tingling. It was just the weirdest thing. She’d been a stop smoking client the week before. I was an intern at the time and I was in this and the room I had picked was the lowest three flights down. She said, can you pick a better room next time? Because this is hard for me. Unfortunately, I couldn’t get that other room. She came down the stairs and after the neuropathy was gone, I saw her walk the stairs. Like she would do an entire flight of stairs at a time. Whereas last time it was two steps at a time.
Mahesh Grossman 00:21:58 It was like the most miraculous thing. Sometimes I don’t know, sometimes we have techniques that work during the session and just when pain shows up, you kind of do the technique. Sometimes it’s as simple as imagining a control room where you lower the control for pain. Some of it also has to do with emotional things because with pain management clients, I’ll ask them on a scale of one to 10, how much pain are you in right now? They’ll say five and a scale of one to 10. How upset are you about the pain that you’re having right now? Oh, that’s a seven. If you get them to lower the emotional level of their upset, that’s part of it, there’s all these different techniques. I had a cancer patient who, after her surgery had all kinds of things going on and there was just this thing that she felt so guilty about that was actually causing the pain, something from her childhood when she was four years old with a dog that wound up drowning under while she was watching the dog and she was four years old, but children think they’re responsible for everything.
Mahesh Grossman 00:23:07 That stopped her pain healing that stopped her pain.
Scott DeLuzio 00:23:13 Interesting. It sounds to me it’s a lot of, kind of just reframing your thought process on how that pain is affecting you. in your mind, if you were to slam your hand in the door, like you’re gonna get that initial pain, but then you might be kinda mad at yourself for not being more careful or something. It may almost seem like it might make that pain even more.
Mahesh Grossman 00:23:50 The mind and the body are super connective and hypnosis. The MRIs they did at Stanford in 2016, really show that the connection between the mind and the body amplifies during hypnosis. I don’t understand the science of the MRIs, but I understand the conclusions. We Def definitely work more with chronic pain than acute pain.
Mahesh Grossman 00:24:15 Because pain is a signal. Your body is sending you to keep you safe. It doesn’t want you to do the same thing again and again, and or hurt yourself in a certain kind of way. But at a certain point, you don’t need that signal anymore. You’re not at risk, but your body has these pathways, your mind in a nervous system has these pathways that keep it going. It’s more along those lines, but also the more the non psychological side is if you notice some pain and let’s say it’s in a five, then I’ll ask you what color, what shape, what, what does it look like? Or what does it sound like? Then I’ll say before it was a five, it was a four, what was it like as a four? Then you’ll come up with something else. Yhen we’ll have you shift the five, the object of the five, let’s say it’s, this is dumb. Because it’s like a candy cane at five and at four, this is not at all accurate, but it’s what I can think of at the moment. It’s candy corn at four .
Mahesh Grossman 00:25:19 At three it’s something else and slowly but surely we take you down. My biggest problem with pain management clients is some of them get their pain at really bad times, where it’s hard to have an appointment. It’s hard to do pain management with somebody who’s not in pain.
Scott DeLuzio 00:25:38 Now, is that something that they can, they can learn how to walk that pain back on their own. Like going through a few sessions they can start to learn how to do this when it comes up on their own
Mahesh Grossman 00:25:53 It helps to have actual pain to work with though Proof otherwise. It’s like, oh, and this is gonna work, but you don’t believe it’s gonna work until you’ve experienced it yourself.
Scott DeLuzio 00:26:15 Wh when someone approaches you with whatever it is, it’s physical, emotional whatever the issue is that they’re going through, how does that initial kind of intake look like when they, they come to you and what is it that you’re looking for to, to see is this even a good fit for them? Or, would you be able to help them? What does that first initial touch look like?
Mahesh Grossman 00:26:43 Well, the initial touch is what are you looking for? What’s going on? Why are you looking for hypnosis? I will ask them if they read novels, that’s a question I like to ask. Have you ever, you don’t have to read them now, but when you read novels, did this happen or when you go to the movies, do you ever feel sad? When something bad happens in the character, that’s, that’s kind of my, at least something’s gonna work. Even when that didn’t work, I had a client, he didn’t actually turn into a client, what’s that thing when they moved blood in and out of you and they dialysis.
Scott DeLuzio 00:27:21 Oh, dialysis.
Mahesh Grossman 00:27:22 He itched from dialysis. This was one of his non itchy days. Because we were talking about the itching all the time, he didn’t have anything in the movie. He didn’t care about the characters, never lost his concentration enough to lose, and missed his house on the way home. He didn’t read novels and see pictures, but he said, this is so weird. I don’t know why I’m itching on this day. That, because we were talking about all these itching itches, and he was suggestible in that way. I think we all are pretty suggestible. One of them, I have a quiz on my anxiety, one twentythree.com site where you discover how hypnotizable you are.
Mahesh Grossman 00:28:14 And one of the questions is if you scan your body right now, can you feel an itch? And pretty much everybody answers yes. To that question. It’s a horrible thing to do to myself. I was searching for pictures to go with that and I could not stop scratching the whole time I was looking for pictures. It was like, this is horrible. I feel a little bad that I ask people that question, but it really works to know that. But so I’ll ask that question and you’ll get a sense of where they’re coming from, and how open they are to things. That’s really important. Sometimes they’ll mention they have trauma or whatever. There’s something that gets kind of personal. My real goal is that I notice the empath thing, I’ll notice tension in my body from the conversation that belongs to them. Usually that’s a pretty good sign that it’s gonna work.
Scott DeLuzio 00:29:12 Okay.
Mahesh Grossman 00:29:13 Interesting. If you’re going to another hypnotist, I’m sure there are plenty of empaths, but it’s not necessarily how people judge it.
Scott DeLuzio 00:29:28 What is it like when you’re in that trance, when you’re undergoing hypnosis?
Mahesh Grossman 00:29:37 For the other person or for me,
Scott DeLuzio 00:29:39 For the other person, for the person who’s coming to you to be hypnotized.
Mahesh Grossman 00:29:45 It’s just a very, very relaxed state. It’s an aware state where you’re aware of tension. You’re in this deep trance where you’re not gonna remember anything. You’re not gonna remember everything like an hour long session. I’m not gonna remember everything that we’ve said already. It hasn’t been an hour, but on the other hand you generally remember stuff. It’s not like you’re in this deep out of its state where you don’t know what’s going on. Okay. It’s more like, it’s maybe like a lucid dream. I think maybe I had one lucid dream in my life, but it’s just, you are in touch with yourself. things more you just get . I’m taking people in through their body.
Mahesh Grossman 00:30:44 I’ve had people come up with complete understanding of what was going on in their parents’ minds, what that they never knew. I had a 70 something year old man, who well now is probably around 80. Because this is a while back. He came home at three years old and his mom came home and he came home on a gurney and no one would tell him what was going on. And they dragged her up to her bedroom and, and he was terrified by him. He had no idea what was happening while she had an abortion. That’s why nobody said anything. He was three years old and it just terrified him for his whole life. This had bothered him, but suddenly he knew, and he didn’t know it before the hypnosis session. He was like, oh my gosh, you had an abortion. That’s what that was. That happens time. People understand motivation, why, why the mother didn’t leave the insane father and all kinds, all kinds of things like that show up in hypnosis. You just know things. You’re aware of things in a very different kind of state. You’re more connected to your subconscious mind. You’re more connected to the kind of soup that we all live in somehow.
Scott DeLuzio 00:32:04 It sounds like we already know all this stuff already. It’s already somewhere in our mind, you need to find it and you need to unlock that and get that stuff out.
Mahesh Grossman 00:32:17 What you really need to do is get rid of the leftover tension in your body that you’re carrying and get rid of the beliefs that the experience caused you. Not intellectually because it doesn’t work that way. So I’ll have two sentences. I have people say that almost all the time. The first sentence is blank. It really hurts me when you blank, dad, it really hurts me when you criticize me all the time or blank, screw you blank. I actually use a different word, but screw you blank. You don’t get to blank. screw you, dad, you don’t get to push me around or whoever it was. What’s really interesting is I have them say this to the mom or dad in their mind. The mom or dad will make excuses. This is all going on in their head.
Mahesh Grossman 00:33:16 but that mom or that dad makes an excuse. I’m sorry. They may say I’m sorry, but it seems very not genuine or I’m sorry. That’s how I was raised. I’m sorry, but you needed to, I was trying to make things better for you. We take another step and the next step is we turn mom or dad from a five year old into a five year old. We picture them as a five year old. It doesn’t matter whether you have an accurate idea or not of what they look like as a five year old, but you just say the same thing, and then they respond somewhat differently. But sometimes it’s, they’re still kind of not willing to give in, but then, then you can ask them, why were you that way? Why, why didn’t you do that to me?
Mahesh Grossman 00:34:05 Invariably it’s because they wanted their parents to be a parent of theirs to love them. If we’re a perfectionist, because we wanted a parent to love us they wouldn’t love us unless we were perfect. Then we talked to the five year old parents and it was always with perfectionism, it’s always that one of their parents wasn’t gonna love them. If their kid wasn’t perfect in their mind. That’s kind of the chain of things. What happens a lot of the time is, we get that parent to give them a ball of light and put it in their chest. It’s very strange, Because I mean, this came to me through working with people over time that there was a way to do this. So they put the ball of light into that. Their parents, the grandparent puts the ball of light into the parent’s chest.
Mahesh Grossman 00:34:58 Invariably you notice the client notices that there’s a sensation there. They feel it. They notice the parent feeling it and changing it. We have them put the light all the way through their body. Then a lot of the time you can say, mom, you really hurt me when you criticize me all the time. This version of your mom says, I’m sorry, you’re a great kid. I love you. I never should have done that. Most of the time, sometimes the parent was so intense that you just can’t even imagine that even after they’ve had the ball of light. Then we bring in the under study. We take either someone and love and have them play your mother or someone who’s passed on or a spiritual figure or a historical figure or a character from a book, a TV show, a movie or a comic book or a celebrity. I just had somebody work with Tom Hanks as their father. That was not a QAN person. They have all kinds of weird things about Tom Hanks. I usually have Tom Hanks hold the other, the father’s hand, and it kind of seeps through to the parent to the actual parent. But this is an internalized parent. Your parents could be dead and you’re still doing this and you’re still carrying this parent around. Doesn’t love you unconditionally.
Scott DeLuzio 00:36:32 Getting that works out in your mind and basically seeing and feeling it work through you kinda just reframed the old experience that you’ve been hanging on to for so long and helps you to, to move on from that.
Mahesh Grossman 00:36:54 You move on. All kinds of things have changed. I had a client who had a fear of being touched, not in an, just like his wife. He couldn’t be hugged by his wife. He would count to 10. That as a way of letting his wife touch him longer, not during sex, but it was like affection things. We did this work and I approached it slightly differently. Where does she touch you? That you start feeling scared? I was like his shoulders. I said, well, let’s just imagine your shoulders turning into Adams and let’s see what happened. What’s inside your shoulders. He said a knife. I said, who’s knife belonged to, and it was his dad. It was this really strong sense that his dad trusted his dad; he always felt like his dad was stabbing him in the back. Literally in half an hour, he was over that. After 20 years of marriage, his wife was like, why didn’t you go see sooner?
Mahesh Grossman 00:37:53 20 years before I was not a hypnotist. I didn’t know how to do these things, this is a longstanding client and has never gone back. He’s never had that fear of touch anymore. It was lovely. He changed his life. There’s actually a video of this in the defi trauma course, because I like people to be able to learn my system, but also to see how it works because there is a slightly improvisatory thing going on. There’s an art as well as a science, even though I don’t know why it works scientifically. It’s very precise.
Scott DeLuzio 00:38:32 Well, you mentioned your course, a defi trauma course. I wanna give you a chance to let people know where they can find this course, the one minute anxiety solution, your website, everything that you, you have, where people can go to contact you and, and get in touch. If they wanna find out more about what it is that you do and how, how they can, how they can work with you.
Mahesh Grossman 00:38:57 I wanna make it as easy as 1, 2, 3. I created a site called anxiety, one, two, three.com. And that includes all my links. There’s a quiz for how hypnotizable you are, especially around anxiety.there’s a link to my one minute anxiety ebook and a one quick win over anxiety video series that comes with it. there’s the link to the defi trauma course. There’s all my social media stuff. If you wanna try to set up a free half hour, hour consultation with me, cuz you’re interested in working directly with me, there’s only to that as well. Again, it’s anxiety one, two, three.com as easy as 1, 2, 3.
Scott DeLuzio 00:39:42 That’s nice and easy to remember anxiety one, two, three.com. But for anyone who might be in the car or someplace where you can’t write it down, if you don’t, if you don’t feel like you can remember it, you can check out the show notes. You can go back to this episode and click through there as well. I’ll have links to everything in the show notes. You can grab that as well, but anxiety one, two, three.com. I don’t think it gets too much easier than that. try to remember that if you can. It’s been a pleasure having you on really great chatting with you and getting to learn a little bit more about hypnosis and how, how that works. it kind of opened up my eyes to some things that I didn’t really understand going into this episode helped me to kind of clarify really what it is that hypnosis really entails. I’m glad to have you here. And I, hopefully this helps some other people who might be interested in learning about these different techniques to manage their pain, whether it’s physical or emotional other things that they may be going through. Thanks again.
Mahesh Grossman 00:40:46 Thank you, Scott.
Scott DeLuzio 00:40:48 Thanks for listening to the Drive On Podcast. If you want to check out more episodes or learn more about the show, you can visit our website DriveOnPodcast.com. We’re also on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and YouTube at Drive On Podcast.
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