Episode 417 Seth Gehle Unleashing Your Full Potential Transcript

This transcript is from episode 417 with guest Seth Gehle.

Scott DeLuzio: [00:00:00] Thanks for tuning in to the Drive On Podcast where we are focused on giving hope and strength to the entire military community. Whether you’re a veteran, active duty, guard, reserve, or a family member, this podcast will share inspirational stories and resources that are useful to you. I’m your host, Scott DeLuzio, and now let’s get on with the show.

Hey everyone. Welcome back to Drive On. I’m your host, Scott DeLuzio. And today my guest is Seth Gehle. Seth is a veteran and expert in leadership and personal development with a focus on helping individuals and organizations achieve their full potential. And he brings a wealth of knowledge and experience and insights that are particularly valuable for veterans and active military personnel looking to transition to civilian careers or enhance.

Their leadership skills and their, their personal lives. So, before we get into all of that which I think it’s going to be [00:01:00] a great show, great topics and everything. But before we get into all of that, Seth, welcome to the show. I’m really glad to have you here.

Seth Gehle: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for having me. It’s always an honor when, when somebody wants to have a good conversation. So thank you.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, absolutely. And one of the things I’ve, I’ve noticed just throughout the years doing this show is everybody’s got different perspectives on, how, their own two cents on how to do one thing or another. But when you start piecing all that stuff together, when you, when you started doing it.

Hear little bits and sometimes you got to hear it from, from different people, multiple times over and over again until it finally clicks with you. But when you hear different perspectives, different ways of doing things, different people’s stories and stuff, it, it sometimes just starts to form itself in, in people’s minds.

And that’s, what I’m hoping to do is just get. Different perspectives out there, different insights and experiences to basically just help other folks who might be just struggling, not figuring able to figure it [00:02:00] out on their own. And they start hearing messages like what we’re going to share today.

And hopefully that kickstarts things in their life and gets them moving down the right path. So why don’t we just start off would you be able to tell us a little bit about your background and, how you got into focusing on leadership, personal development, that type of thing.

And, and how you got to where you are.

Seth Gehle: Yeah my background’s a little rocky. It’s, I, I had a very traumatic, tough childhood upbringing. And for, 16 years, I kind of went through the full spectrum of Child abuse and neglect and kind of witnessed everything from, just physical, emotional, and then sexual abuse as well as a young man.

And, my mom was addicted to hard drugs and abusive. And so I went through a lot of that as a young man to almost an unfathomable amount. Like when I tell my story to people, it’s almost like [00:03:00] incomprehensible. Like people don’t understand how you could. Do that or go through that and kind of, and one to do all that, but then to be in the shoes that I’m in today.

So that’s kind of like my very brief backstory and we can get into that. If we can get more into that, if you’d like, if you have questions, but when that all ended, I was about 16. And a couple of years later, I joined the army and served in the army for eight years. And initially I joined, I was in the reserves.

I was a mechanic. I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. The recruiters got me with like blowing shit up. And so I was just like, yeah, let’s do it. And so I, I joined the reserves thinking that I was like this combat, like soldier killer, and which was not the case. So when I found out that the reserves was not really like the full time army deal.

I was blown away and I was like, what the hell is going on? So I ended up going active and I was, I was like 20 years old when I went active, 19 or 20. And I, I signed an 18X [00:04:00] contract to go special forces candidate. We, went down to Fort Benning, graduated, had to go back through basic training because I was a non combat MOS prior.

So I had to go to basic training again. And After that, I went to airborne school. I got kicked out of airborne school for a curfew violation. Probably the only person ever to be kicked for curfew. So I went to Fort Stewart, Georgia for a couple of years, went back to airborne school, passed the second time, decided to stay in the barracks.

And after passing that second time, I went to Fort Bragg, North Carolina for the last few years. And then after getting out of the army, I got into construction and my transition getting out of the military went really well. Like I just had a, it was a lot of work and a lot of effort, but it, everything that I did worked out for me in my favor.

So oddly enough, when I was getting out, I spent a lot of time. Coaching other guys through the transition to civilian life. And I had not even made that transition yet, but I [00:05:00] was making big breakthroughs. I was like kind of hitting big milestones, finding out about classes and certifications and people to connect with and people to talk to.

And a lot of people were asking me. Like, how did you do this? Who did you talk to? How did you figure that out? Where did you find these things? And so I just started helping guys. And since I had all these people asking me, I was like, well, I’ll just start making videos on LinkedIn about what I’m doing.

And so that I actually did that for almost like probably a year, year and a half. Because after I got out of the army, I got into construction and our company was hiring like bad. So I, I recruited probably 10 or 15 veterans from Georgia. And I got, got hired out in like Washington and Texas. And I think in the Carolinas, cause I came back to Atlanta where my wife is from.

So I started recruiting guys and getting them into, getting them into the construction industry and explaining to veterans the value of construction and the value that they can bring. [00:06:00] And the. Benefits of it, the money to be made in construction is incredible. So that’s, that was like one of the biggest selling things was telling veterans, like guys, like, look, you can come into this role as a project manager, as a, you don’t, you don’t have to be out in the sun.

Swinging the hammer. Like you can do what I’m doing. Because a lot of guys, I mean, I was only 24 or so when I got out, but I’d spent six years in the infantry, multiple deployments, all those things. So like I tell people, it’s not the years, it’s the miles that we put on our bodies. And so I tried to explain that to the younger guys or even the older guys when they were getting out, like, dude, you don’t have to go back and swing the hammer if you want to.

Great. But if you, if you don’t, there are other opportunities out there. So anyways, yeah. And doing all that, I helped a lot of veterans out, and then I won some national awards. And when I got those awards, That’s kind of when I figured out, okay, I need to write a book. So I started writing a book and then I really have been kicking off my motivational speaking career and my, [00:07:00] yeah, my motivational speaking career.

I’m, I’m kicking off a podcast here soon, but that’s when I really figured out that, like, I have a message that people can. Learn from. If I came from where I came from and to go out, serve, and then get on a stage in Las Vegas and receive some awards at a big conference there’s something that somebody else can relate to in that story and hopefully learn from.

And I’ve had many, many guys reach out and been able to help them. So it’s been a good, been a good ride.

Scott DeLuzio: And that’s awesome to hear that your, your transition went as smoothly as it did, because you hear all these horror stories from people who are getting out and they take the uniform off for the last time and they realize, crap, I have no plan. I have no idea what I’m going to do next. They hadn’t really considered it.

They just, they got out and. The world is out there, but nobody is there holding their hand. Like in the military, it’s not [00:08:00] handholding. Maybe that’s not the right phrase for it, but you’re, you’ve got places that you’re supposed to be at a certain time, a certain uniform that you’re supposed to be wearing at that time, certain time to go eat, a certain time to do this and that, and now that, and, and your pay is taken care of and your, your healthcare is taken care of.

All these things are. Sort of taken care of for you while you’re in the military. I’m not saying that the pay is great or anything. It certainly could be better, but a lot of things are taken care of for you while you’re in the military. So you don’t have to think about those things. As soon as you take that uniform off, all of that falls on you.

And. Not to say that it’s impossible. It’s stuff that if you hadn’t considered it before, you got, you got to start thinking about these things. And so seeing someone like yourself who has made the transition, made it relatively smoothly and have helped other folks who were getting out and getting into different career fields, even within the construction industry.

[00:09:00] Right. Like you said, you could be swinging the hammer if that’s what you’re doing. What you want to be doing, but there’s other stuff too. There’s just like in the military, you could be the, the grunt, the infantry guy, who’s, In the field, kicking in doors and, doing all that kind of cool, cool stuff.

But there’s support roles that need to be there too. There’s logistics, there’s, there’s all these other things that need to go into it. I heard a statistic the other day, and I don’t know how true it is. I didn’t look into it, but it sounds like about right. They said for every one infantry guy who’s out.

In combat, you need about eight to 10 support role people to help support that person, whether it’s logistics or cooks or mechanics, whatever the case may be, all these, these people need to be around for that one person to be out there in the field. So, there’s, there’s a lot of things in the civilian world that, Aren’t just [00:10:00] out there in the sun, swinging the hammers, that type of thing.

There’s, there’s a lot of other support roles as well. And you, you made a good point with that. And I kind of laughed when you said how long you were in the infantry, I was about the same amount of time as an infantryman and yeah, the body does kind of keep the score if you will.

Seth Gehle: Right. Right.

Scott DeLuzio: Let’s talk about kind of leadership. You seem like you kind of just fell into like naturally into a leadership position here because you’re, you’re helping these people and that’s kind of part of being a leader. Whether you know it or not, like that’s, that’s one of the things that a leader does.

They help people, they help bring people up and, and not push people down or, like a, like someone who’s just a. Driving people to just go, go, go, go and push every ounce of energy out of these people. Like, no, you want to help build them up so that they can become better. And when they get better, they, they can help, other people and everybody gets better that way.

[00:11:00] And so, so talking about leadership know, from your perspective, what, what is it that makes an effective leader? And what, what is it, both on the military and the civilian side probably more importantly on the civilian side, but what is it in your opinion that, that makes a good leader and how have you kind of helped other people get into that role?

Seth Gehle: Yeah. So, it’s funny, whenever I tell my story, people always say like, how did You’re, you’re so positive or you’re so, maybe you’re, thinking I’m a good leader or something like that. People say these things about me. And to be clear, I’ve not always been like this, right? I had my, my growth.

I had my time of struggle and when I was, especially when I first joined the infantry, my platoon sergeant was a ranger for like 15 years. And so he was, he. He wanted me to be a bulldog and so I was just like tearing guys up and I was just like Yelling screaming all the [00:12:00] time. Just just getting after it now the thing about me is is You know I I cared deeply about all of my guys like so I was so invested and their performance and their futures So much so that like, once I figured out finances, I would, it’s funny when I joined the army, they’re like, Hey, you need to invest in your retirement.

And I was, 17, 18, 19. I was like, dude, I’m not putting away a hundred bucks, 200 bucks out of my paycheck for something that I’m not going to see in like 50 years. And so. I didn’t understand the value of it. Right. But then when I became a leader and I did understand the value of it, I actually would sit down with my guys and make sure that they, that their finances were good.

I would sit down and make sure that they knew how to budget. I would sit down and, and, and I told them, I was like, look, guys, I know it’s not fun. I know it’s not cool, but this is going to help you and your family. So please just listen. I want, I really want y’all to get something from this. And so, [00:13:00] like, As a leader in the military, it took me a long time to get there.

I mean, it took me a while before I finally accepted that I need to set, I need to be the example for these guys. I kind of, I kind of wanted the leadership spot. I wanted the team leader spot, but I didn’t want the things that came with it. And then I was, I was given that spot and then I started to implement.

The things that I needed to, I started to become that, that example. I was never a runner, I wasn’t the fastest guy. I was, I was always the strong guy, but you know, my PT was fine. It wasn’t, I wasn’t a 300 guy, but I was like, I don’t know, 270, 280. And I tried to be a good example for the guys, but that carried out even when I, when I was getting out of the military, that’s, I just had this like passion to help people.

And when I figured out the steps, I just had this like drive because I know, I know how hard it is to get somewhere when you don’t know where the hell you’re going [00:14:00] and you don’t know what to do. You don’t know where to start. So when I was getting out of the army, I was like, I didn’t know what the hell I was doing, but I, I just started listening to people and taking their advice and everything they said, I’d write it down and then I would take action on it.

And so. And doing all that, I got all these resources, got all these answers, and I started pushing that to everybody that I talked to. And that, that part for me when I was getting out of the military was very natural for me to like care of others and to, I really wanted to see other guys succeed. I wanted them to see, take, take my advice and run and go and do things with it.

The problem with that, I just talked about this last week was it’s very simple, getting out of the military and getting a job and doing all the things is very simple. It’s the problem is it’s very hard. So, there are tasks that I had to be completed, which was, Hey, you can go to this class, get this certification, do this course, it takes three months.

Do this course, get this certification, Meet with this person. They’ll build your profile, give you a free headshot, do all this. You just [00:15:00] have to do this part first. So there’s all these things that you could do. It just takes time, effort. And that, that was the struggle that I had was not, was trying to get people to understand how, how valuable those things were, I wanted them to be more successful than they wanted to be successful, and so for me, I can, been told that I can be like very pushy in that sense where I’m like, Hey man, like, did you get this done? Did you get this done? So I had to back off eventually. And people would come to me and ask me for help. And I would tell them, I’d say, Hey, it’s a lot, but if you want, I’ll, I’ll tell you everything I did step by step, and I’ll tell you exactly how to do it yourself.

And one of the things that I said was, know, for me to find a job in Atlanta, I went on LinkedIn, typed in Atlanta, and I connected with every single person in Atlanta that I could find that was, that was in the construction industry. Literally typed in Atlanta, filtered it to construction and people connected with every single one of them.

[00:16:00] And I messaged every single one of these people for like three months. Took me a long time messaging every one of them. Every night saying like, Hey, I’m, I’m getting out of the military. This is my resume. Like, do you have any advice for me? Any suggestions, things like that. And out of like 300, 400 messages, maybe 500 messages, I got like five responses.

But one of those responses led to me being employed and led to me winning awards. And also led to me being able to forward that. Opportunity to other people. Cause at that, like I said earlier, at that company, I was recruiting people and bringing them on board. And then just to, I guess, put a bow on the answer when this, this right here is probably the thing that I think is the most important about leadership.

And it truthfully, it doesn’t seem like others think this way, and I don’t know why, and maybe, maybe it’s me, maybe I’m wrong. I might be wrong about this. I don’t know, but I just have this, [00:17:00] when I got guys recruited to this company, And I had three people that were training underneath me. It was more important that they learned and developed their skills to be good at that job than it was for me, who was already, seasoned, I suppose, or I already knew how to do the job.

I grew up very fast in that job. I did very well from the jump. So because I was doing so good, it was more important that, that I taught these three or four new people how to do that job to that, to the level that I was doing it at, which was number one in the division, reason why it was so important to me was because.

I thought about their families and I would tell them this. I would say, listen, if you do what I’m doing right now, you’re going to be successful. And then your fan, you are going to have money. Your bonuses are going to be 150%. Your family’s going to be happy. You’re going to be happy. You’re going to move up the ladder.

You’re going to move up the chain. And. The three or four people that I trained, they did it. And [00:18:00] three of the guys that I worked with, and then myself, we were all in the top 25 in the country at one point, I was like number three and, but in the division, we were all in the top, we were all like top five in the division.

And so the VP of construction was even reaching out to me, asking me like, Hey, what are you doing? How are you doing this? How are you guys figuring this out? What’s going on? The issue with that was, The other people around me kind of looked at me like a kiss ass almost or like like a too good to be For everybody else and I really wasn’t trying to be like that I was like guys like I honestly The only reason I talk so much and the only reason I’m trying to give so much advice is because what I’m doing is working And if and I see what you guys are doing And it’s not working.

And there’s a, there’s a dashboard that comes out every Friday that tells me that what you guys are doing is not working because you’re not able to compete with me. So there’s probably some ways I could rephrase that to make it less sounding,

Scott DeLuzio: A little more palatable,

Seth Gehle: Yeah, right. Right. So that, [00:19:00] I mean, that’s, that’s probably been my biggest issue as a leader and leading people is like trying to articulate the message.

In a way that can be received and appreciated versus like a, like talking down on somebody. I try not to talk down on people. I try to like lift them, but sometimes from, from me, it does come off like that. And I think, like I said, to answer your question entirely was as a leader, even in the military, my job was to make sure that my guys knew their jobs.

And could succeed and do better and move on. And that, that was more important to me than doing my job and getting the reward.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And I think whether it’s in the military or civilian world or whatever If you’re a leader of people, people are going to ask you to develop those people and get them able to do a job, whether it’s in the construction or military, I don’t care what the industry is. It could be anything. It doesn’t have to be either of those.

But someone’s going to look at you to, [00:20:00] to develop those people. And. They’re going to give you tasks that need to be done, right? And those people are going to have to do those tasks. And if they’re unable to, it’s going to reflect on you because you weren’t able to develop them into the type of workers who can do those types of tasks.

And then. Those tasks are going to fall on you. They still need to get done. Right. And so that, that’s going to just make your work even harder. And so why wouldn’t you want these people to grow in their, their abilities to be able to do more excel in their career and move up, advance. And like what you were saying people are going to start to notice the performance from the people that you’re developing and, and, and, and, When you catch that kind of attention, that’s good attention, by the way you catch that kind of attention, that’s going to lead to advancements for you to not, not only did you work with those, three or four [00:21:00] people.

Now you’re going to, you’re going to move up in the organization maybe, and you’re going to now have 30 or 40 people. That you’re going to be working on and helping to build and, and, and, and things like that. And then, then you move up even further and now it’s not 30 or 40, it’s, a hundred or something like it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and. to say like someone else might be sitting out there listening to this and be like, Oh, great, more work. But with that more work, there’s more, more money, more benefits, more, all of that comes along with it. And those things are a positive thing. Like it’s, it’s going to help advance your career.

It’s going to help your family out with, obviously more money and things like that. But I think the message for the folks who are listening. From all of what you were saying, one of the big takeaways that I got was you have to take action on things like when advice is given to you. It’s, it’s, you can read all the self help books.

You can listen to this episode. You can listen to all the episodes of this podcast [00:22:00] and every other podcast like it, and you can, you can listen to them till your heart’s content. But if you don’t do anything, what good is it? You just wasted your time reading that book or listening to that episode or whatever.

It’s a complete waste of your time if you don’t do anything with it. Now, maybe not everything that you hear is going to fit. Exactly with the scenario that you’re in, for the listeners. And that’s fine. I get that. Like this is kind of generic, generalized content here that we’re talking about.

So it’s going to be on you to figure out which pieces you’re going to, you’re going to grab and, and, and take action on, but you have to take action. Otherwise you’re just spinning your wheels and you’re not going to go anywhere. Right.

Seth Gehle: Yeah. I mean, that’s, I’ve taken this weird, I’ve taken these like, now that I’m thinking about it, I’m taking on a new leadership role probably right now. And that role is in the. I, I guess I’ll say victim advocacy [00:23:00] for lack of a better term or the human trafficking or the, the child, rescue kind of situation.

I think that’s kind of probably where my life is going in the next year or two based on my book and my past, but I’m taking on this. It’s, I would say it’s another role. People are looking to me, messaging me, emailing me and asking me like, Seth, how did you do it? How did you overcome those things? How did you not?

Become an addict or an alcoholic or, so in that sense, they’re looking to me for guidance, right? When, and I think that’s you, who do you go to for guidance? You go to the leaders, you go to the people that have been there and gone through it and somehow they’re successful, right? So, yeah, I mean, for, for me now, the leadership role that I’m taking, it’s, it’s the same thing is I’ll, I tell people all the time, like, If you want to get over your mental health issues, if you’re having, the, the depression and the suicide and, and those issues that you have, well, the things that have helped me [00:24:00] are reading, writing, and speaking about it.

I read books. I read a lot of books and listen to books. And, and, I would even consider like listening to a podcast almost as a form of reading. You’re just. Kind of, it’s the same thing as listening to an audio book to me. So reading that and taking in other people’s stories and perspectives, then applying them to my life and understanding like, okay, that makes sense.

Okay. That’s why I act like that. Or, okay, that’s why people do this. And then writing for me. I tell them the same thing, Hey man, write things down. Me, I’m writing a book, so it’s a little different, but journal. If there’s something that bothered you about your past or bothered you about your mindset, journal it, go back to it, a week later or two weeks later and, and, and continue.

Because spoken word is great, but this is If this was not on a podcast platform, it’s gone forever. As soon as I say it, it’s gone. It’s out in the world, it’s gone. So that’s the beautiful thing about writing is that you can go back to it and fix it and change it and mold it into this thing that really exemplifies what you’re meaning and processing in your [00:25:00] head. So, that’s the reading, writing, and then speaking is just, even on a podcast platform, or if it’s to your therapist, or your spouse, or to a best friend, just talking about your issues and your problems and the things that you’re having is going to help you heal. Now, I say all that to say, I tell people this all the time.

Hey, man, this is what you should do if you want to heal. If you want to have a better mentality, you want to have a better mindset. These are some of the things that you could do. And like you said, it’s, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink it. And what’s beautiful is when that, when that, when they do start drinking the water, and then you’re like, like, for me, I drink all the water.

Anytime, anytime somebody gives me anything, I’m like, dude, let’s go. Like, I’ll take something out of what you gave me and apply it. And what I always try to do is return the favor. I, I got connected with a, with a green beret and up in Nashville, his name’s Nick Lavery. And Nick has helped me a lot over the last about actually not even a year yet, it’s been like [00:26:00] seven months.

And I’m making sure that he knows that I’m taking everything he gave me and running with it and applying it and what it’s doing for me. Like I want him to be fulfilled by. The little bit of time that he spent investing in me, so as a, as a leader, I try to invest my time in others, but then I also try to return my investment or, or the time that it was invested in me, I try to return that to the people who have done it, try to let them know, like, Hey man, your advice was solid.

Like I started taking your advice and this is what I’m doing now. Because I know. As a leader, I know how many times I’ve told people things and it’s one ear and out the other, and it sucks, so that’s why I always try and go back up and say like, Hey man, that advice was great, or, Hey, I tried this and it didn’t really work out.

Do you have another suggestion? Things like that. I try to keep that communication open.

Scott DeLuzio: Well, it’s, it’s probably almost demoralizing if you’re in that position and you’re, you’re given advice all the time. And, and people just, like you said, in one ear out [00:27:00] the other, and it’s like, at some point you’re like, why am I even bothering, if, if no one’s going to listen to me, no one’s going to take any of this advice.

It’s worked for me. I’ve seen it work for other people. I’m trying to help you out, but you don’t want to listen. Okay, well, eventually maybe I, maybe I stopped helping out, but if you start seeing the person succeeding, they’re, they’re moving up and then they’re telling you, Hey, I did exactly what you just told me, and that’s why I’m, I’ve had the success that I’ve had.

It’s like, Hey man, that feels good. Like, I don’t know. And anyone who’s listening out there, if you’ve ever helped anyone with anything, and You see them be successful. I don’t care if it’s, something as, as little as, helping your kid learn how to ride a bike. And you see them for that first time riding the bike by themselves.

And you’re like, that’s awesome. I helped it like that feels good to see them. I remember my, my oldest son, the first time he started riding his bike with, no training wheels or whatever, he was [00:28:00] screaming his head off. He was so excited and like, that just filled me up. I, I felt so good.

And I’m like, like, that’s awesome. But if. If it was the other way around and he didn’t listen to anything that I was saying and he just kept, falling off the bike and he was like, ah, I don’t want to do this. Like, okay, well I, I don’t know how much more I can help with, with things like that, maybe it’s a little different, working with kids, but but you know, still it’s, it’s just personal development side of things where people are, Needing to continue to grow, whether it’s in their career, their personal lives or relationships, things like that. There’s some aspect of this, this growth that you just because you’ve hit an objective doesn’t mean that you stop there.

Right? You want to continue to go. I heard a guy talking, I forget who it was now. But he, he was saying how, goals are not really great to have [00:29:00] because goals by definition, they, they have an end. Like you hit that goal and it’s done. There’s no past that really. And so it’s, it, the mindset shift has to be to, Every day, just get a little bit better and work towards better is the goal.

Always getting better as opposed to, Oh, I want to get this job. I want to get that promotion. I want to do this at whatever. It’s always just getting just a little bit better every day. And I think that’s, that’s kind of the goal with, with the personal development, right?

Seth Gehle: Yeah, I think it’s, I think I’ve heard something similar to that, and I think they re, they say it’s not I have a goal, but a vision, or a dream, or a, that, that thing that’s in there, that’s, that’s what I tell people too, I tell them the same thing, like, think about where you want to be, and what you, what your life looks like, what is, I was just on a call with the Gem Reapers owner, the, the owner of Gem Reaper is, it’s a gem apparel, they’re getting [00:30:00] into some other things now, but he took a company that was a thousand dollars and turned it into 60 million within less than 10 years.

And, one of the questions was like, well, how do you do it? Right. And so that’s what he said was, I had a vision, I had a dream, I had this vision in my head, and I wrote it down, and I reverse engineered it, like, what does it take for me to get there? And then those, that’s how you find all of those blocks that you’ve got to check, all of those boxes, to get to that stage, to get to that point.

And if you want to, it doesn’t matter what you want to do in life, if you want to be better, you want to be better mentally. Okay. What does that look like? What do I got to do to get there? And then you just, you’ve got to be willing to take those steps. And, I think for me, when I read books, I don’t know.

I just, when I started reading books and I started figuring it out, like it made so much sense. And I was just like, dude, like, this is such great advice. This is so brilliant. And when I heard people talking about it, like it, it [00:31:00] created like clarity for me. Like I was able to see finally. So that’s, that’s what I wanted for other people.

I was like, guys, I was like, listen, if you do this, like these things work, it really does. Any sort of therapy or, or when it comes to career things like networking, everybody was doing the wrong thing. When it came to career stuff, everybody’s filling out job applications. And I was like, guys, like, stop, stop with the job application.

Stop submitting your resume to places. You need to make connections. When I, when it came to the mental health thing, I, you gotta get outside, exercise, talk to people. If you stay clammed up, it’s not going to help, man. And there’s this. There’s obstacles in life and every one of them is an opportunity to condition your mind.

You talk about teaching a kid to ride a bike. It’s an obstacle and it’s a conditioning thing, right? If every time you hit snooze on the alarm clock instead of get up, you’re conditioning your body to like just snooze, snooze, snooze, snooze. Instead of getting up and going to the gym or getting up and going to [00:32:00] work or it could be anything in life.

But, but that’s, that’s a problem. Anytime you come up across something challenging, what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do to, to succeed and to get past it? So, that’s something that I, that I try to get people to understand is that you’ve got to look for these challenging moments, these things that are harder. There’s a, there’s another example that I heard recently was. Like life is a test and it’s like the rope bridge. What do you do when you approach a rope bridge over a, we’ll say a big river, right? The first thing you do is you reach out and you, you give it a shake with your arms. Okay.

Okay. It’s not falling apart. It just passed the test. The next thing you do is you put one foot on the first plank. Okay, it’s holding one foot. It passed the test. And then, then you put two feet on there. Okay, it’s holding me. And then you take another step and it’s holding me. So there’s just these like series of tests.

And every single time, you’re, [00:33:00] you’re getting closer and closer to the, to the goal per se, which is crossing that river, crossing that bridge. And on the way, Every single step, literally on a rope bridge, you just don’t know where you’re going to go, cause they’re, that’s just, that’s the, the, the story behind it all.

So, there’s a lot to that and, and development and growth, and you’ve got to be willing to, take that step, take that journey and test yourself.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And. And continue to do that too. Just cause you got to cross that bridge doesn’t mean the journey’s over, there’s obviously, there’s someplace else that you need to get to and it might be, you might be in, the middle of a jungle or, or something and there’s, there’s trees in the way.

All right, well, you got to figure out how to get around those trees, and the, the overgrowth and everything else. Maybe you gotta cut some stuff down and you, you gotta figure things out as you go, but every step of the way, it’s, it’s, It’s a new test. Maybe there’s, some animals that you don’t want to mess with.

Okay, well, we got to figure something out. We got to go around them. We got to, every step [00:34:00] along the way, using that analogy of, crossing that bridge and getting to that next place, step is going to be a new challenge. It’s going to get you closer to where you want to go by accomplishing what, Whatever that challenging thing is.

And that’s the same thing with life, right? I mean, you have to do challenging things. I mean, you don’t, you don’t feel accomplished by hitting the snooze button by. Not, not doing the thing, the hard thing in life, right? If you are going to school and you, you stop, halfway before you got your degree or whatever, it’s like, well, I mean, yeah, you went to a few classes, but you didn’t get the degree.

So like, that’s not accomplishing that goal of getting the degree to be able to get that next job that you’re trying to get to or, or whatever. Or working just hard enough to get by. Well, that’s not going to get you the promotion, like that type of thing. [00:35:00] So yeah, you’re going to have to challenge yourself.

But the good thing with challenging yourself is the more you do it, the easier it gets. And, just go back to that riding the bike example for my son before he knew how to ride the bike. That was a challenge for him. And he kept challenging himself until he was able to do it. And now he can ride his bike.

No problem. This is years later. Right. And it’s a lifelong skill that he’s going to be able to do with no problem. Take that into your career. Okay. Well, there’s some challenging things, maybe, maybe for you, getting to work on time is a challenge. Well, if you do that consistently, you’re, your boss is going to notice, Hey, you’re the guy who’s always showing up.

You’re dependable. I’m going to, I’m going to want to count on you and you’re going to be the guy that I go to. And eventually that could lead to, other. Maybe it’s a promotion, maybe it’s more whatever it is. I don’t know specifically in everybody’s career, what, what that looks like.

But but good things will [00:36:00] come from that, right? Versus if you don’t overcome that challenge and you’re consistently late, well, you’re not going to get those, those opportunities for advancement and likely eventually you’re going to, you’re going to end up losing your job. And so then you have to start all over someplace else and that’s going to be even harder.

So. The better you get at overcoming those challenges, the better things get, I think, right? Is that kind of what you’re saying?

Seth Gehle: Well, yeah, and, and it’s, so to, to your point of like, Seeking out the challenges, like not stopping and things like that. So there’s a beautiful reward with the process of accomplishment. Every, I think a lot of times when you’re chasing, even if it’s a goal, right, you’re chasing this end state.

If you’re chasing the end state, it’s going to be really hard to get there. You have to understand that process and, and understand the. Reward that comes with it and the [00:37:00] damage that instant gratification does. It’s a gratification. You pick up your phone, you you’re scrolling through, I don’t know.

Tick tock. Right. You don’t like it. Swipe. Don’t like it. Swipe. Don’t like it. Swipe. Right. There’s this constant feedback loop of like, okay, if I don’t like it, I could just quit, I can just move on to the next thing because it’s, it’s, it’s immediate. Right. It’s quick. And even with like, it’s like little kids, if you have a two year old I’ve got a six and a four year old.

If every time they want something, if I just give it to them all the time, every single time, they’re never going to be happy because the accomplishment comes from the journey of working for whatever you’ve got. It comes from that struggle, right? So instant gratification is a. It’s a really bad thing.

And so as, even as a parent, but I would say even as a leader, as I let people below me struggle, I let them, I see them struggling. That’s okay. Like, hold on, sit back and see what he does with it. What’s he going to do? Is he going to fold up? Quit? Is there a workaround? Is there a way to do this? And there’s a lot of times, you’ll go to your boss and [00:38:00] you’ll say, Hey, I got a question.

Boom. And they’re like, Okay, have you tried this and they know the answer like they could just tell you the answer right there and sometimes you may know that they know right and they’re just not telling you so then you got to go back to your desk sit down try and do what he just said and it’s frustrating because it’s like dude just tell me but at the end of the day when you figure it out on your own or with a little bit of help it’s a lot more Rewarding the gratitude.

You’re a lot more, the gratitude is there for it. Even my kids, my, we were at a park yesterday and my, my daughter was trying to climb a tree and I didn’t tell her how. She was circling this tree, trying to figure out how to get into this tree. She tried multiple times and got scared and failed and this and that.

And. I’m not going to help her get into the tree. If she wants to climb the tree, she can climb it. She better figure out how to get in that tree. Cause she’s, once she gets up there, one, she’s going to have to need to get back down, so she better figure it out, and and so she did, she got up there and then while she’s up in the tree, messing around, she slips and she falls, she’s [00:39:00] And she’s hanging on to a branch and she’s screaming like, help me, help me, help me.

And she was like three inches from the ground. So I was like, no, I was like, put your legs down. You’re fine. Put your legs down and let yourself drop. And she didn’t want to, she was terrified, right? She’s scared. And, and some people on the outside end may be looking at this like, dude, why would you not help your daughter?

Or, you see her, your kid is scared at the park, in the jungle gym because he’s up too high or something. And it’s like, Give them a second, sit back and let them figure it out. Let them see if they can figure it out, because that when they do, they’re so proud of themselves. When they, when they climbed the rock wall for the first time by themselves, they’re so proud because they figured it out, right?

They’re not there with you holding their hand, pulling them up along the way. And it’s the same thing with being a leader. It’s the same thing, helping people at work. Showing them the way and letting them struggle through it, letting them get through it. And, and maybe that was part of my issue as I was a couple of years [00:40:00] ago was.

Was maybe I was too involved as a leader, too involved trying to get these guys to do exactly what I was doing. That may have been a adjustment that I could have made. I don’t know, but knowing, knowing what I know now, I understand the value and struggling. And, and, you talked about the college thing. When I got my degree, I was working a full time job. And going to the gym, being a father, being a husband, doing all the things. And so my degree to me means a lot because I was doing all of these things to get there. If I had to just walk across the street and pick up my diploma and that was it, it’s not that impressive.

A life without a life without struggle, a life without obstacles and, and, and struggling and pain and suffering. It’s. It’s almost impossible to live a remarkable, incredible life if you’ve never struggled, if [00:41:00] you’ve never had obstacles in your way. And for me, I’ve had so many obstacles that, it’s, like I said earlier, it’s almost incomprehensible.

It doesn’t make any sense. It’s literally unbelievable to some people. And so because I’ve gone through all that and I’ve done what I’ve done, that’s, that’s That’s why I get so fired up about being a leader and fired up about getting people to understand their true potential and, and the things that they can do with a little bit of perspective, gratitude, ownership, all of those things that you can, you can just do amazing things with your life.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, you absolutely can. With Like you said, just sticking with it not, not giving up on the thing, not, not hitting that snooze button of whatever it is that you’re, you’re working on. There’s there’s, there’s a figurative snooze button for just about everything where you can [00:42:00] just put it off, put it off, put it off.

And eventually that becomes a habit that you’ve, you’ve learned. And even talking with about kids again, I, teaching, teaching kids My kids had to play baseball. One of my sons had this nasty sidearm thing where he was, he’s throwing the ball sidearm and I’m like, look, you keep throwing the ball sidearm, you’re going to keep getting sidearm kind of throws where they’re going all over the place.

You start learning how to throw it overhand and, and getting the right. Motion, you’re going to get some good throws. And if you practice things the wrong way, you’re going to get really good at doing things the wrong way. And that’s, that’s kind of a problem. Like just in life in general, if, if that’s your, what you do is you’re, you’re practicing those bad habits.

You’re going to get really good at doing those. Things that are the bad habit. And so yeah, you have to put [00:43:00] the time, put the effort, the, the blood, sweat and tears into whatever it is that you’re trying to accomplish in order to. Achieve that objective. It sometimes it’s going to be really hard. As a matter of fact, a lot of times it’s going to be really hard.

But anything, I think in my opinion, anyways, anything worth doing is going to be hard. If it was, everything was just easy, everyone would do it. And then. We’d all just kind of be at the same level. So there’s going to be people who they don’t want to put in the effort. Okay. They’re going to be, they’re going to be stuck at a certain level.

But then there’s going to be those people who put in just a little bit of effort more, and they’re going to be a little bit higher up, and then there’s going to be that next set of people who put even more effort in, they’re going to be even higher up than them, and they’re going to, they’re going to move closer and closer and closer.

It’s like that bridge example, that rope bridge there’s going to be some people who won’t even Take that first step onto the bridge. They’re going to, they’re going to approach it and be like, you know what? [00:44:00] That’s, it’s not worth it to me. I’m not, I’m not doing it. It’s that’s too high up. I don’t think I can do it.

They’re going to be stuck on the other side. And there’s going to be some other people who, I don’t know. They get, they get about halfway and they, they see the next board looks a little shaky and they’re like, you know what, I’m turning around. I’m going back that, I made it partway, but I didn’t do it.

There’s going to be other people who just plow right through and they make it to the other side. But they got to keep going. If you don’t keep going, you’ll never make it to that other side, whatever the other side of that life experience might be. You’re never going to make it if you don’t keep going through, keep pushing through those difficult things.

Overcome your fears, overcome the the, the doubts that you have in your head. God knows I have them in my head. I think that’s, it’s natural. I think most people have some sort of self doubt going on in their head, but you got to overcome those in order to achieve any sort of objective hell, in the military.

I mean, you’re going out on a mission, especially [00:45:00] infantry guys, right? Like you go out on a mission where, people are probably going to start shooting at you or trying to blow you up or something like that. There’s gonna be a few doubts, right? I think that’s, that’s not, that’s not something that most people want to just jump right into.

It’s going to be a challenge to get yourself to get, get going and do those types of things, but you do it. And It turns out you achieve your objective. You get to where you’re going. You find the thing that you’re looking for. You do the mission. You accomplish the mission. And, things are good.

Hopefully. With that. Not to say that there’s not challenges and there’s not setbacks. Because they’re going to be with you. Anything that you try, you’re going to try things and fail. But that failure is, you can use that as a teaching lesson where that helps accelerate you into even better experiences.

And so, you just have to keep going, I think. And that’s, [00:46:00] I think that’s the. Biggest takeaway from, from all of this, right?

Seth Gehle: Yeah, I think I think a life in like mediocrity. It’s something that I don’t want, so I try to, I try to challenge myself. I try to do things people ask me a lot, like why I do the things that I do, why I’m writing a book. I think, know, being a, being called, calling yourself an author is something that not a lot of people can say.

So for me, that’s a, it’s been a hell of a challenge and it’s, but it’s been good and I even talked about this a few months ago where when I first started really getting my book on the route to publishing, it was, it’s very expensive first off. And so I, I had to front some bills to, to, to get the book going.

And at that same time, it’s funny. I backed into my garage door, my wife backed into hers. She ripped hers off the frame. So we had, we had to get hers fixed, which was like three or 4, 000. And then we had The, I paid my taxes, so I paid like 4, 000 in [00:47:00] taxes earlier this year. And then the IRS took out they, they double charged me basically.

And of course, being the government, they’re like, yeah, you’ll get your money in, six to eight weeks. so that was four months ago. I actually just got that check by the way.

Scott DeLuzio: It’s literally a button they have to push to send it to you. And it’ll be in your bank account like the next day.

Seth Gehle: right.

Scott DeLuzio: easy, but it’s the government. So six to eight weeks. Yeah, I got it.

Seth Gehle: Yep. Yep. So I, when that happened though, I was thinking to myself, like, man, like, like, this is one of those moments where life is testing me, I’ve got to pay for my book and the garage door and the taxes and this and that, like all these bills hit me out of nowhere, depleted our savings account and I could have quit, like I could have just gave up.

Right. And I could have just said, you know what? I’m not going to write my book. Right now is not the time. That’s too expensive. And. I thought to myself, okay, in 15 years from now, 20 years from now, when I tell my kids, yeah, I almost wrote a book. Like, what are they going to say? Like, well, why, like, why didn’t you?

Well, [00:48:00] I quit, like the answer is I quit. The answer is not, no, all these things happened and then I couldn’t do it. So that’s what people tell themselves. Right. Yeah. I hear it all the time, even from other fathers. They’ll say, well, man, how do you, how do you find the time to work out and like do these things?

And what about your kids and this and that? And it’s like, dude, I do the things I do for my children and I challenge myself. I go to the gym. I do these, I work hard and writing the book Everything I do is for my legacy, for my children, for my family, I And I look for these things that challenge myself because when I, when I tell people that I do certain things and they’re like, Oh, there’s no way in hell I could do that.

There’s no way I could speak on a stage. There’s no way I could travel. And there’s no way I could for example, I started running ultra marathons. And so. In the last nine months or so, I’ve ran like seven ultra marathons and I, I didn’t start with a marathon. I didn’t start with a half.

I didn’t start with, I mean, I was in the army, so I’d already ran my fair share of 10 mile runs or whatever, [00:49:00] but I know I’m not a runner and a buddy of mine attempted an ultra. I saw him do it and I said, okay, I’m going to do this. Like, this looks hard. This looks challenging. Like I’m going to do it. I don’t know why, but I’m going to do it.

It looks miserable. Let me do it. And what was so empowering about that for me, for, for the initial pieces of it was every time I told somebody that, yeah, I’ve got a marathon or an ultra marathon coming up and their trail races, and they’re like, Oh, how long is that? It’s 31 miles. And the initial response is like, Oh, there’s no way in hell I would do that.

And so I was like, cool. That’s, that’s what I need to hear. Cause like, now I’m going to go out and do it. The more that I hear people say, I would never do that. It’s like, what? Okay, I gotta, I gotta go do it then. I gotta go see why these people don’t want to do it. Like, why do you want to live this life of mediocrity?

Why, why don’t you want to like challenge yourself and say that you accomplish these things? And so I started running ultra marathons and I knocked out, two 30 mile races of a 50, a 40, a 60 mile race. And then I did I just last [00:50:00] month, I ran a hundred mile race, took me 38 hours to run a hundred miles and, and now I’m done.

I’m officially retired now. I’m good, but you know, there’s a, there’s this grind and this process apart that, that goes into all of that. And furthermore, what’s, what I think is funny about my story and running is when you hear somebody talk about running a marathon. They’ll say, Oh, I’m going to get on this program.

I plan to run a marathon in six months. Or, or a year, it’s like, I decided to run an ultra marathon. And then I did my first ultra in like three, three weeks, three or four weeks. It was, I just signed up and I was like, whatever. I know I can, if it’s just running and walking, if all I got to do is cross that finish line in less than eight hours or whatever, I know that I can do that.

And so I just went out and did it, and when I, when I ran the a hundred miles, people were like, how did you do that? And it’s like, it’s just one more step. That’s all it is. It’s another step. It’s another lap. It’s another mile. And [00:51:00] that is. Getting out of that life of mediocrity. I don’t know. I know one other person, two other people personally that have run a hundred miles.

I I’ve run into a lot of people in my life and I’ve only ever met two of them that have run a hundred miles other than the people that I ran the race with. So, there’s this thing that there’s this part of life that comes from these challenges and these, these beautiful people. I’ve been all around the world.

How was I able to travel and go all around the world? Well, I joined the army and I paid the sacrifices. I did, I paid my dues of being away from family. I did not get the college experience. People say, did you go to college? Well, I went to the army and that was my college experience. I didn’t, I wasn’t getting wasted with the fraternity and, just, I didn’t have this, 18 to 24 years of age life where there was like almost no consequence or responsibility for me.

I had a massive responsibilities and duties at that age. [00:52:00] And I mean, that’s a, I’m sure you can attest to this. I don’t know when he joined, but when you had to think about that, when guys joined, when they’re 18, 19, 20, what are all their friends doing? All their friends are at home living their lavish life, living with mom and dad doing, doing whatever the hell they want to do.

Meanwhile, this guy’s literally. On the brink of a deployment or training rotation or, or whatever. Right. And he’s, going through so much growth and development and they don’t even realize it. That young soldier doesn’t even realize it. And so that perspective of like, man, like you could be at home wasting your freaking time right now and you’re not, so.

There’s a lot to be said about not being mediocre as a, as a professional, as a soldier, as a parent, my, I tell, I, I, my wife, she, she works out. She, she does CrossFit and does some other things a lot. She’s very active and we, me and my wife, we take pride. Being the parents that [00:53:00] are able to hang out and play with our kids and get up and get up off the floor and get down on the floor and go outside and walk and run.

We take a lot of pride in those things because unfortunately nowadays there’s so many parents out there who can’t do it and they’re 25 years old, 30 years old. And it’s like, man, you got a long ride ahead of you. Like this is. This is a sad, mediocre situation that you’re putting your children into and it’s perpetual, if you don’t fix yourself They’re not gonna fix themselves and they’re gonna follow in your footsteps So there’s a lot of that, you know breaking that perpetual state of mediocrity as a leader, parent, soldier Whatever you want to do, just don’t don’t be mediocre, you know

Scott DeLuzio: Right. And, and for what you’re just saying, the kids are going to. See that as normal, like that, that’s how mom and dad were. And so that’s how I’m going to be when I have kids, when I grow up, I’m going to think back, like, that’s, that’s just [00:54:00] normal. That that’s how things are supposed to be, I suppose. And so, unless there’s something that breaks that cycle, right.

That, that, that, that. Flip that light bulb on in their, their mind that says, well, maybe there’s something better than what I had. You, you said you had a rough childhood growing up. Well, in your head, there was something better than what you had, what you were going through as, as a kid. And so you’re like, okay, well, let’s.

Let’s find better, step one, join the army, right? Like that’s, that’s, that’s a pretty damn good step, I think. Instills discipline provides a paycheck, gets you, gets you established, right? And then you, you can move on and you can grow in your career. And then you can use the skills that you’ve learned in the military in your future endeavors.

After you leave the military, you can use some of the leadership skills, even if, infantry, we, we, we’re both infantry. And, those skills don’t, [00:55:00] breaching doors and all that kind of stuff, like battle drills and all that kind of stuff doesn’t translate too well into the civilian world.

We’re not kicking in doors. And if we do, we’re probably getting arrested. Like that kind of stuff is not very helpful in the civilian world, but there’s leadership lessons. There’s other things that you can take away from your service. No matter what your job was in the military. And there’s, there’s so many different jobs that do transfer directly into a civilian career.

But if you’re, if you’re just. Staying stagnant and living a life of mediocrity you’re going to look back one day and you’re going to be like, man, I wasted a lot of time and I really wish I even just for some of those days did something to advance myself, to make myself that 1 percent better at something.

Just try to get a little bit better. Maybe it’s a little bit better as a parent. Maybe it’s a little bit better. With [00:56:00] your career or with school or with something in your personal life, physical fitness or your mental health or whatever. I wish I tried just a little bit better. And, and that way, you don’t end up living a life of regret when, when you get to the, towards the end of, of your life, you’re not going to be looking back saying, man, this could have been better.

I could have done this better. Cause there’s no do overs in life. But you can start now. And you can say, you know what? I, I gave it a damn good try. And, and I, I think a lot of people out there need that kick in the ass to, to say, get, get moving, put the fucking phone down, stop looking at that thing and do something useful, go hang out with your, your wife, hang out with your kids, hang out with them and, and build a relationship with them or study something, read books, learn [00:57:00] things there, If you’re not a reader, fine, don’t read, but figure out a way to learn something new.

There’s, there’s lots of ways to do that. And, and get yourself better one day at a time, pick one thing and every day, just, just work at it and get better and better and better. The, the, the person that I was talking about earlier, who, who was saying The goals are not helpful because that, that has like an end point.

He quoted the guitarist from Metallica and he never wanted to be professional guitarist who was, in a, in a band and, known all around the world and had all these accolades and all this kind of stuff. He just said he just wanted to get better at being a guitarist. And every day, that’s what he did.

He just focused on getting better and you put enough time getting better at something, you’re going to be pretty damn good.

Seth Gehle: Yeah, yeah,

Scott DeLuzio: So, well, [00:58:00] I know we’re going a little bit long on this episode here, so I want to let you have an opportunity to let the listeners know where they can go to find out more information about you, your work anything that that they may be able to.

Reach out to you as far as, maybe social media websites, things like that, anything that they can do to find out a little bit more about what you do.

Seth Gehle: easiest way to find me or get a hold of me is through Instagram, which is, you can look my name up, Seth Gehle, my last name is G E H L E SetGehlele, or if you type in Go Beyond the Shadows, that’s my handle and then same thing with YouTube, Seth Gehle, Go Beyond the Shadows, I think I’m on all the socials.

And then my website is sethGehle. com that if you go there, you can, you’ll be prompted to sign up for my book. My book is coming out late November this year of 2024. So, that’ll be coming out. And then, yeah, Instagram is definitely the easiest way to follow me. I’ve got a lot of big things coming up at the end of this year and I’m sure [00:59:00] next year is going to be very exciting and what I’m doing and speaking, speaking and writing this book and traveling and helping people.

So I’m excited.

Scott DeLuzio: Awesome. Yeah. Sounds exciting. It sounds like you got a lot of things in the pipeline here. Definitely exciting stuff in your life going on and, for the listeners who want to find out more about all this stuff, all the links that Seth just mentioned will be in the show notes, so check them out.

You’ll have access to that wherever you’re listening to this, just check out the show notes. I’ll have his Instagram, his YouTube, his his website all in there for you to check out. And maybe when that book comes out, we’ll, we’ll have you back on the show. We could talk about the book a little bit and See what’s, what’s next, because I’m sure there’s, there’s going to be a, a what’s next edition of of this.

So, that you’re not going to stop just because the book’s out. I’m sure there is something else going on. So, so really I do appreciate you coming on. This has been I think [01:00:00] inspirational. I think for, for folks who are out there who maybe are, in their minds, maybe just living a life that’s somewhat mediocre and not. Living up to their potential. I think they, they might be able to take something away from this and they might be able to benefit a bit from the things that we talked about today. And, and hopefully they can like you said earlier, you got to take action. You can’t just sit there and listen passively to a podcast episode.

And all of a sudden your life gets better. You can’t read a book and all of a sudden your life gets better. You have to take. The action on the steps that were provided to you. And hopefully this serves as inspiration to stop it in the snooze button, get off your butt, go, go for a run, go achieve your, your your goals, whether it’s education or career or, or, Personal relationships, whatever it is, get out there and go go achieve them.

So thank you again for taking the time to come on and sharing everything [01:01:00] that you had to share about this for the audience.

Seth Gehle: Yeah. Yes, sir, man. Thank you. I appreciate you having me on and thanks to everybody listening.

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