Episode 468 Tim Thomas Mastering Breathwork for a Better Life Transcript

This transcript is from episode 468 with guest Tim Thomas.

Scott DeLuzio: [00:00:00] Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Drive On. I’m your host, Scott DeLuzio. And today my guest is Tim Thomas. He’s a founder of Breathwork in Bed, and he draws from his Special Forces experience, uh, and he’s created some of Australia’s most successful veteran mental health recovery programs, uh, with a focus on improving wellness and sleep quality through means like Breathwork.

He really understands the The key aspects of a good life. And so today we’re going to dive deep into how we can keep our mind and body connected, why generosity matters and how sleep can be a game changer. Uh, but before we get into all that, Tim, I want to welcome you to the show. Uh, glad to have you here.

Tim Thomas: Scotty, so great to be here. I’ve literally, I’ve been so looking forward to this show. I’ve literally spent the last three hours preparing my mind, body and spirit so I can be with you, your audience, and give it, give the best of everything I have to you and your audience.

Scott DeLuzio: Hey, man, that, that is awesome. Uh, that, that you, you, you. Go out of your [00:01:00] way doing all that for us and, um, you know, like we’re, we’re, uh, talking a little bit before the, uh, the episode got started here, before this recording got started, we’re talking about, you know, how, how can we best help, uh, the, the veterans out there and, and, you know, sleep obviously is a huge issue.

Uh, and, and so I’d love to get into all that. Before we do that, uh, tell us a little bit about your background, maybe some of your experiences in the special forces, uh, and, and things along those

Tim Thomas: Yeah, yeah, sure. So, um, I, growing up dyslexic, um, I really struggled with, uh, the mainstream academia, but I always felt very at home. I, I just felt smarter when I accessed my own body. Uh, and I, and I was later to find out that, you know, when you exercise, you, you, you cover your neural pathways with glucose, oxygen, and something called BDNF, brain derived neurotropic factor, which basically is like fertilizer for your brain.

So as much as I didn’t know it, it felt, it felt [00:02:00] right that, uh, to, to sort of access your body. Now, I, I sort of worked out that energy is like money. How you invest it is how you get it back. And I just started investing in things that gave me a really good return. Um, And you have to see your own investments before anyone else does.

So I hung out with a lot of conservative people. So when I started becoming a professional fighter, they’re saying, Oh, fighting is wrong. It’s bad. But I could see that when I invested, you know, a hundred dollars worth of energy, I got 10, 000 back. Um, and I had this idea of living like an energetic millionaire.

Right, and I think we can all do that, and I think that’s what, uh, a really good morning routine and a quality sleep will give you, right? And so, I, I jumped into the early days of mixed martial arts, but back then it was called no rules fighting. And it was literally no rules. You’d, in the, in the, in the rules, sort of, preparation before the, the fights would go on, the guy would say, okay, there’s no digit [00:03:00] insertion, but anything else goes. And guys would work out. It was pretty clever. A guy would get in the mount, grab the other guy’s skull and drive his chin into the guy’s eye socket, right? Because that’s not a digit, that’s a

Scott DeLuzio: Sure. That’s a loophole.

Tim Thomas: Right? But that’s the kinda, you know, I, I train probably, you know, seven days a week, two to three times a day for probably six or seven years.

I didn’t have a lot to show for it. Um. And at the, and in um, 2004, the Australian government had a military history. First, they created a scheme called the DRSF scheme, direct recruiting into special forces, and. This had never happened before because to just even apply for special forces, you had to spend two years in a regular, you know, battalion, infantry unit before you could even apply.

And here was, um, a scheme that could take [00:04:00] civilians to streamline them through into special forces. Now, of course, you had to, before you could even apply, you had to pass physical examinations, mental, psychological, aptitude, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was told that there was between. 000 people initially apply.

That got narrowed down to 70. I was in the 70. You do all your basic stuff and then you do your advanced stuff and after about, you know, 10 months of no weekends, um, you get to apply for Special Forces selection. Uh, you know, the Navy SEALs have Hell Week. Uh, we have 28 days of hell, you know, um, and in the Special Forces, everyone’s always trying to one up each other, so that’s just a I dig to any Navy SEALs out there.

Um, um, the army was particularly resistant to this scheme because we were considered civilian Q jumpers. So they did [00:05:00] everything they could to stop the scheme. Um, a statistic we have at our basic infantry training is we’ve got 300 percent more injuries than any other platoon to go through there. Uh, what they used to like to do was, um, crawl us through cactus, so where we trained at Singleton in New South Wales, they had these cactuses that were like the, the barbs on them were about two inches long and they would go through your boot.

Uh, and you’d have to use your bayonet to pull it out of your own body, right? But you had to be careful because if you, if you flicked off this, this bunch of thorns too much, you would flick off and hit someone else. You know?

Scott DeLuzio: You’re not making any friends that way, right?

Tim Thomas: Anyway, but, but after they crawled us through the, the, um, the cactus, they’d crawl us through these fields of kangaroo shit. Okay, so that the wounds would get infected. So it was a, uh, and you’d get this bursitis, and your elbows would, would swell up to the size of grapefruit. Um, so there was a deliberate attempt to stop this scheme [00:06:00] because they thought we couldn’t cut it.

The best thing that ever happened to us, Scotty, was Afghanistan kicking off. And then we showed we could do everything and more that anyone else could do and you know, they became a big scam of this big fan of the scheme and that scheme continues to this day.

Scott DeLuzio: awesome. Awesome. So, it’s kind of like a, you know, a fast track to doing that, but you’re still going through hell as you’re going through it, right? They’re

Tim Thomas: guys that

Scott DeLuzio: Lightening the load.

Tim Thomas: absolutely, as of the 70 guys that started and sorry to jump over the top here, um, less than 15 got through and I was, no one thought I would make it because I was the oldest allowable age at 30, you know. I got, I got the nickname Old Man Tomo.

Scott DeLuzio: Awesome. Awesome. Um, but it wasn’t an easy go after, even after getting through all of that for you too, right? You had, you had some, some, uh, you know, in Afghanistan, you had some, some issues there too. Tell us a little bit about, uh, some of those [00:07:00] incidents and, you know, maybe how that shaped your outlook as, as far as, uh, uh, you know, how all that, that took place.

Tim Thomas: Well, look, I, um, I was one of those guys that was sort of pretty clumsy on bass, like I was always fucking something up, right? But, in the field And, and, and because of that, I was that sort of clumsy dude, um, and I didn’t really understand military culture. Uh, I asked far too many questions. Okay. I was that guy, you know, when, when the officer said, Any questions?

And then I immediately go to move on. I’m like, I got a question, sir. Like fucking Tomo. All right. Um, so anyway, I struggled on base, but I also struggled with military culture. So it made it very easy for. You know, insecure alpha males always need, uh, someone to, to put down because, because obviously in their mind, energy is limited.

So for them to be, [00:08:00] have energy, they’ve got to take it from someone else. So I was a guy that was very easily bagged out, you know, that, you know, or, or is the, the, the, in, in the, the unit, they call, I was a shit cunt, right? That’s Australian vernacular for the shit cunt, right? So anyway, when Afghanistan kicked off, um.

I feel, I didn’t know how I would do over there, right? Um, but I just said, look, I’m not going to be tough, but if something impacts my sleep, uh, I’m going to pay attention to that. And I was later to find out that my, I’ve got sort of Germanic ancestry and I was later to find out that one of my ancestors was in the personal bodyguard of the Kaiser and so obviously there’s some, you’ve got to be comfortable with violence and that sort of stuff when that happens and so I felt that I was built [00:09:00] for combat.

It was something I could do and, and, and sleep well at night. Um, that said Because I was the shit cunt on base, uh, you know, if there’s a sergeant that wants to get to you, they’ve got ways of getting to you, right? And so there was an amount of bullying. And that, uh, and what ended up happening was you could, you could, you know, bully me, beat me up. I’m resilient, right? But this particular Sergeant found a way to put my family at risk. And that was, uh, okay, this is, this is like, that’s not something I’d ever. experience before having those I love most kind of used against me.

Um, and I think my PTSD post service stemmed from that, but also from a experience where we’re heading into an ambush and, um, you know, we, it’s not. Anything particularly new in Afghanistan, [00:10:00] there’s ambushes every day, but on this one, we knew it was coming and the standard drills is you put the heavily armoured vehicles to the rear of the convoy because that’s the ones that are, uh, that’s the rear vehicle that usually gets attacked because it’s least defended.

Um, and the vehicle we’re in, Australian Special Forces, normally travel in a four wheel drive with the roof cut off. And in the rush to, you know, to get into formation before the ambush, uh, this heavily armoured vehicle. Cut us off. Um, and that completely triggered me because here was an officer putting his own ass fir in my mind, he put his own ass first and left us to be the guy that’s gonna get the, the vehicle that’s gonna get smashed.

And so there I was, and you know, most of us have, you know, lost brothers and done a, a ramp ceremony, you know, carrying the coffin with the flag over it. And I’m seeing my own ramp ceremony. Um, and you know. My then wife, um, [00:11:00] kids, and I’m, I’m mad as hell. It literally, my brain just cooked itself. Um, and in that space. I asked myself a question that has pretty much guided every event after it, and the question was this, Tim, who do you know who has done this before, and how did they get through it? Now in Australia, we have ANZACs, um, who, uh, went up, you know, the, the beach at Gallipoli against Turkish defenders that knew they were coming. And then I’m like, yeah, I do know someone who’s done this before, the Anzacs. And what did those Anzacs do? You know, they kept moving forward, and they didn’t let the outside world stop them seeing the power inside of them. [00:12:00] You know,

Scott DeLuzio: Sure.

Tim Thomas: and in Australia, we say on Anzac Day, Lest We Forget. You know, Lest We Forget, you know, the sacrifice of those gone before us. And, um, like this was over a hundred years ago, this beach landing, but it was like a portal in time opened up, Scotty.

And those Anzacs came through it, poked me in the chest and said, Tim, lest you forget, lest you forget the power inside of you, lest you forget the power of looking after your mates. And, and no shit, Scotty. It was like night turned into day, you know, the sun coming up at midnight. It was like my whole body felt illuminated.

All right. Um, Because when I was in my own head going, fuck that cunt, you know, I was alone and isolated, you know, and as social mammals, we’re supposed to be connected to each other. Like Scotty, if [00:13:00] you knew I had your back a hundred fucking percent and you had my back a hundred percent, like everything else is a very small detail.

It’s, it’s how we’re wired. We’re built for connection. But if I’m feeling alone and isolated, everything’s a threat because everything is a threat. And everything’s hard, because everything is hard when I’m feeling all alone, you know?

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, it’s hard alone, right?

Tim Thomas: Yeah, so, so, when I asked that question, who do I know that has done this before, and these motherfuckers poked me in the chest, it was like the tourniquet came off my intelligence.

I actually went to this place, it was like a drone going up, I could see it all, you know? And I’m like, okay. Let’s, what do we know, Tim? We know that RPGs self detonate at 1, 500 meters, which in yards is, I don’t know, 1, 800 meters, so I’m thinking, I’m thinking they’re going to be shooting at us between, um, 800 to 1, 200, uh, meters, not going to want to be too close, so if we just swing that as an arc from their, from, from their place of origin, that, and we’re going at 20, 35 kilometers an hour in [00:14:00] this convoy, I’m going to be in the kill box for three minutes.

to five minutes. I’m like, okay, I can deal with that. You know what? And, and then something really cool happened. My, my, uh, circulatory system jumped out of my body and I’m looking at it like it was a street directory. Okay. I’m seeing blood going through my heart, to my arms, my legs, and back up to my brain.

I’m like, the brain is the critical part here. All I have to do is maintain positive pressure to my brain and I’m going to get through this. Okay, I can lose an arm, that’s fine, um, I don’t have to worry about an infection, I just gotta, you know, hose clamp that, and then, um, that’ll keep positive pressure, but even if I bleed out and die, you know, my brothers in the vehicle are gonna revive me with a saline drip.

You know, so breaking my isolation, tapping into my higher thinking, gave me energy, gave me options, got me connected to those around me, you know, and, and that perspective gave me thoughts that I hadn’t, I never would have had if I stayed isolated and [00:15:00] pissed off and this fucking cunt did me wrong, right?

Scott DeLuzio: Sure, sure.

Tim Thomas: I said, look, you know what?

They might find my body. in five minutes time. But you know what they’re not going to find? Magazines full of bullets. I’m emptying all ammunition on this one.

Scott DeLuzio: I like it.

Tim Thomas: And then I’m like, you know what, Tim, there’s something in that. It doesn’t matter if you die in five minutes time or 50 years time, your magazines contain simple bullets. But your mind, your mind, Scotty, everyone’s listening’s mind contains something so much more powerful than bullets. Our minds contain ideas, hopes, dreams, You know, wouldn’t it be a greater tragedy to die with those things still in your head? if you survive this, it’s time to amp your clip.

Scott DeLuzio: Absolutely. That, and I love that analogy too. Uh, you know, thinking about the, you know, I’m not going out with full magazines. [00:16:00] Yeah. They’re going to get me. They’re going to get me, but I’m, I’m, I’m going out fighting. Um, yeah. Expend all those, those rounds if you can, right. You know, to, to the extent possible.

Right. You have ideas, you got hopes, you got dreams, you got, you have all sorts of things going on in your head. What are we, what are we doing? Just sitting around, hanging on to them, you know, for what? A rainy day or something like,

Tim Thomas: if the ambush is not going to get you, death eventually will.

Scott DeLuzio: Right. You know, it’s, it, that’s one thing we, we cannot escape it.

It’s coming for all of us. Death is going to get us at one point or another. I don’t know if it’ll be five minutes from now. I don’t know if it’ll be 50 years from now. I don’t know when it’ll be, but shit, let’s, let’s get, let’s get whatever we got in our heads out there into the world. So talk to us a little bit about how that, I mean, obviously that shaped your outlook, right, on, on life going forward.

Um, You know, and you know, it sucks that it took an ambush situation like that, where, where, you know, your life literally is in danger. But, [00:17:00] um, talk us through, like, what, what did that lead you to? So you, you, you know, finished that deployment and you got home and like, you probably had some ideas floating around in your magazine that you wanted to get out there, right?

Tim Thomas: Well, it’s funny how it works, but undiagnosed PDSD was the best thing that ever happened to me. Um, like a lot of guys might not think they’re special. But I can bet you’ve gone through some shit, all right? And it’s our job as men to turn that shit into fertilizer, you know? And it might take you a week, a month, a decade, but that’s the amount of time you’re going to be able to save other people getting through their shit, turning their shit into fertilizer.

Because that stuff’s there for you to grow, you know? And, and what I found was, I had this goal, because like yourself, I was shocked at how many veterans were taking their lives to suicide. In Australia, the Australian [00:18:00] forces lost around 40 guys to bombs and bullets, uh, in Afghanistan, but we’ve lost 30, 40 times that amount to suicide.

It’s not, it’s not something you hear about, but it, it, it happens and most everybody knows somebody. Um, And so I had this goal of saving 40 veteran lives from suicide. I had no idea how to do it. I just, I just knew I had to. Um,

Scott DeLuzio: hmm.

Tim Thomas: and he, and I was going to work the rest of my life to get that done. I’m a pretty determined dude, but that goal was actually achieved within one year because I saw two things that the mainstream system doesn’t see and everyone needs to draw this close to them. What the mainstream system didn’t see was that Pain, it doesn’t matter if it’s physical or emotional, it will get to a certain duration or intensity where it transforms from pain, we can handle [00:19:00] pain. But it transforms into loneliness.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: We can’t handle loneliness. We can’t feel like we’re the only ones going through this because we feel if we share that pain that we’re feeling with others, we’re going to be making their life harder, you know, and we don’t want to make other people’s lives harder.

And it’s. You can pour and, and there’s, you know, budgets for millions of dollars of resources to be poured into, you know, veterans. But I tell you, it is water off a duck’s back if that person is feeling alone and isolated. Because they don’t know who to trust. If no one’s got my back, everything’s a threat because everything is a threat.

I’m not sleeping because if I drop my guard for a second, something bad’s gonna happen. It’s gonna be my fault. All right? And so breaking the isolation was the first step. The other [00:20:00] thing really worked, and I saw just, it was just, it just worked, and that was getting people out of fatigue. So, if you’re the only one that’s got your back, because you’re feeling alone and isolated, you’re not sleeping.

Your fatigue has an accumulation effect. You’re basically, you can keep going, but you’re selling off bits of you. You know, you’re selling off your ability to laugh, you lose your ability to see something beautiful, you lose your, life occurs in two colors, safe and not safe, you know, um, and unfortunately, when you reach out for help in that sort of situation, you start realizing that not all healers are born equal, and I want to share something now, and I think a lot of veterans are going to, um, are going to get something from [00:21:00] this. So I got out in 2010, I was about to kill a man. Okay. The government wasn’t paying me. This would have been murder. So I had reached rock bottom. Family’s falling apart.

I’m drinking a lot of alcohol. And then I’m like, what do you do when you’re fucked up? Oh, you see a psychologist? And that made no sense to me. Why the fuck do I want to see a guy I’ve never met before? I don’t trust this bloke, but you know what? My family’s falling apart. My wife’s at me. So I’ll go see this guy. So I’m driving to the appointment and I’m tripping out like, why the fuck do I want to share all this stuff, you know, with some stranger? Anyway, I go in there and this guy isn’t just incompetent. I can handle incompetence. Um, he was completely apathetic. So I tell him all the shit that I saw in service, all the bullying, all of this. And at the end he goes, Oh, do you think it [00:22:00] was a problem with your mom and dad? That whole room froze like that. Tick, tick, tick on the clock went. And I became very aware of everything in that room and I saw his glass frame psychology degree. And in my state of disconnect and loneliness, it made a lot of sense to grab that glass frame and feed it down his throat to remove this motherfucker from the system because he was supposed to be a healer and he’s not just not healing, he’s causing harm.

So time to remove this guy and I get out of my chair to do this, Scotty. And then I feel this hand on my chest. And words like Red Flag, Tim, you are the toughest mofo you know, and you are struggling in a system that doesn’t seem to want to help and is so ill equipped, they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing themselves.

Scott DeLuzio: Right.

Tim Thomas: And then the question, how many other people are in this same situation right now? [00:23:00] And I sat back down in my chair, Scotty, and I saw them. I saw them, thousands of people, left and right of me, willing me on. There was no end to the depth of them. And they were saying, Tim, if you can find a way forward for you, you can find a way forward for us. And then I’m like, fuck, look, it doesn’t matter if it takes me a week, a month, a decade, I’ve got to find a way forward. I don’t know how, but I’ve got to find a way forward because I’ve got a feeling that the amount of time it takes me is the amount of time I’m going to be able to save. Everyone else. And, and for those listening, I really want you to draw this to you right now.

You might be a veteran. You, you could be anyone. This is applicable. Everyone’s up against something. And the golden question to ask yourself right now is how many other people do you think are in your situation right now? [00:24:00] And again, it doesn’t matter what it is. You could be a veteran. You could have breast cancer, brain cancer, an emotional problem, a relationship problem.

Think about the amount of people that are in your situation right now. And don’t kid yourself, give it a number, give it a real number because those people are out there. And if you find a way forward for you, those people that you possibly haven’t even met yet are going to say something like, you know what?

I’m so glad that in, you know, 2025, you started making decisions to move yourself forward because that’s, that’s helped me so much.

Scott DeLuzio: Right.

Tim Thomas: And it was in that moment, Scotty, that’s when I broke my own isolation, when I, when I, when I saw all those other people in the same situation as me, and my brain went from, you know, this guy’s pissed me off, I want to kill him, because that made sense when I felt alone, isolated and disassociated, to, no, there’s a bigger part here, [00:25:00] you know, I’m not, I’m not one in a million,

Scott DeLuzio: Mm hmm.

Tim Thomas: I’m a million in one. You get that? So it’s not just me getting healing. There’s a million of me getting healing. There’s a million of me, you know, finding the right healer to heal myself. And it took me six fucking long years to find a healer that actually did for me in 15 minutes what, what no other person could have done in 50 years.

But there’s, there’s no way I could have humanly done that for six years. If I’d not seen those million people left and right of me willing me on.

Scott DeLuzio: Right. And that was your, your motivation that, that, that kept you from feeding that frame down, down the, uh, down that guy’s throat, right. It, you know, and honestly, looking at your, your story, what you’re, you’re talking about here, this is why I do what I do with this show to have people like you [00:26:00] or, you know, any of the other guests that I’ve had on this show who have gone through some shit, they’ve gone through these experiences that, you know, they, they, they really.

Had their, their whole world turned upside down sometimes, right? And. In some cases, they may feel like they are the only person on the planet who is going through these issues. To your point, what you just were saying, that’s not true, but sometimes in that isolation, in that, that pain, it makes you feel that way.

I’m, I’m the only one who’s going through a relationship problem. I’m the only one who has, you know, a certain kind of cancer. I’m the only one who has, uh, you know, PTSD. I, uh, whatever it is, I’m, that’s it. It’s me. I’m the only one. And. We all know that’s not true when you, when you stop and think about it, but it feels that way.

And so, having people like you, having other people on the show, sharing the, the shit that they went through, and saying, hey, [00:27:00] there’s a, there’s a way out of this. There is a way for you, here’s the path I took, maybe your path is going to be a little bit different, but this is the path I took, and maybe, maybe you can start walking along this path, and maybe that’ll get you out too, um, and, and that could help you, right?

So, you’re not alone in any of this, I don’t, I don’t care who you are, and even if, even if you are, let’s just say, you’re this random case where you are the only person on the planet who has this one problem, it doesn’t mean that there’s not anyone out there who wants to help, right? So, you know, pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and do the work, right?

To your point, right?

Tim Thomas: well, I, I, the way I saw it, cause I’m, have I mentioned that I’m dyslexic?

Scott DeLuzio: Yes.

Tim Thomas: see things in patterns, right? And the patterns I saw was And us blokes are a classic, um, example of it. We have [00:28:00] unspoken words inside ourselves, inside our hearts, right? And we’re just waiting for another man who has walked the same path as us to speak those unspoken words.

Because those unspoken words inside of us become rocks around our heart. It stops us feeling, okay? So I used to drink so much alcohol because I just wanted to feel something. Alright, um, and so, breaking, getting to the point of whatever you’re up against, whether you’re a veteran or you’ve got breast cancer, whatever it is, you have now the credentials to speak those unspoken words inside the heart of somebody else.

Okay, you are, you have the credentials to break their isolation, because we’re all just waiting to hear someone speak it out loud. Alright. Now, you know, you and I, we’ve got so many pages of weapons we’re qualified in, right? But what I’ve discovered, Scotty, the most powerful thing on the planet is not a weapon.

It’s, [00:29:00] it’s authentic words spoken, you know, from the deepest parts of us. And if you can have that to another human, then all of a sudden you’ve broken their isolation and all of it, and, and what happens is it’s, it’s like those unspoken words stop you knowing what to do next. When your isolation is broken, it’s like this internal golden compass turns on and people know what they need to do next. But while you’re feeling isolated, you don’t know what to do. And you’re stuck, but speaking authentic words from a genuinely lived experience allows that person to unlock their golden compass and it’s, it’s, it’s amazing. I always observed how amazing, how amazingly, How little people needed if they got what they really, really need, really needed.

You know, you [00:30:00] don’t need billions of dollars of resources. You just need the right resources applied correctly. And people have 95 percent of everything they need inside of them, you know, and, and breaking isolation is the absolute first step. And then getting out of fatigue is the next one. That’s when you can start putting energy into the direction you want to go in.

Scott DeLuzio: Right. Right. And so it’s, it’s quality, quality over, over quantity for the, the resources that you have and the, the things that, you know, whatever your

Tim Thomas: you don’t want bullshit words. These psychologists, they study for 7 years, but they haven’t figured out the fact that the trauma goes deeper than fucking words. You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You’ve got a gun that shoots 200 yards, and my target’s at 1. 2 miles away. You know, sure, you’re shooting in the right direction, but you’re not hitting anything.

You know, sure you’ve studied 7 years to have a, to have a qualification that you can shoot this rifle. It only goes 200 meters, mate. Okay, you, you, you, you’re doing fuck all or nothing and, [00:31:00] and they don’t get that. You know, the trauma goes deeper than words. And so,

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, absolutely.

Tim Thomas: a time and a place, okay?

Any decent psychologist will tell you that 95 percent of their job is building rapport with the client. Okay. Essentially breaking the isolation, allowing that person to, um, at a very deep level, not feel like they’re alone in this world.

Scott DeLuzio: Right. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. And, and so then you’re saying the next step here, we’re talking about fatigue. I got to imagine that’s where kind of the sleep work,

Tim Thomas: Oh yeah,

Scott DeLuzio: know, comes in,

Tim Thomas: well, and the thing is, we, as a culture, almost exonify people that don’t sleep very much. We just think it’s normal that bad sleep is normal, right? Have another coffee. Um, so, you know, my observation is, now let me just start with a question. Think of everything you have in your life, Scotty, okay?

Your work, your play, [00:32:00] your relationships, your body, what it can do. The quality of everything in your life is relative to the quality of your sleep.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: Okay, sleep is the soil from which everything grows, but just like, you know, the soil, it’s unseen. Okay, we get our, our roots are mostly unseen. It’s all under the ground and our society is largely visual.

They want to be able to see stuff. So, um, A lot of people go, well, if we’re going to use the tree analogy, Oh, my trunk’s not in the right shape. Um, and there’s plenty of marketing that’ll sell you something to get your trunk in the right shape. Oh, I don’t have the fruit in my life that I want. Again, there’s plenty of marketing that’ll sell you stuff to get your, Externals looking a certain way.

Holy shit, I can’t feel good about myself unless I have the right car or the right shoes. All right, but someone who truly understands what power is and where it comes from goes into the unseen, [00:33:00] goes into the soil. Okay, and sleep quality. Is one of those things that at a very deep level empowers you. And one thing we used to do in the special forces was deliberately target our enemy’s sleep.

Cause we knew if we could deny him sleep for three nights, it would mess them up better than a bullet. No shit. Right. And I, and, and, and I come back to the, you know, the, the western world and I see that sleep quality is under attack. Our, our busy western world is denying US quality sleep, but there’s no clear enemy, but there is a tactic at place.

So, you know, uh, the officers talk about, um, you and I, I shouldn’t say were you an officer?

Scott DeLuzio: I was not, no, no. I was enlisted.

Tim Thomas: hang on a sec. But you know, I, I, without, you know, there, there is that friendly banter between officers and NCOs, but, um, but what I’m trying to say is the officers talked about attacking the enemy’s center of gravity, okay?

[00:34:00] You find the enemy’s center of gravity, whatever it is, You attack it, then they’re off centered, and then they’re essentially more worried about what you’re doing than what they’re doing. And when I get back to the, uh, the civilian world, my dyslexia has me seeing this pattern that our center of gravity, as humans, is our sense of self worth.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: if you can attack my sense of self worth Then you can get me going in any direction you kind of want me to, you know? Oh, Tim, you didn’t know it, but you got really ugly elbows. Okay. You didn’t know it, but everyone’s probably noticing it. Look, if you just give me 25, I’ll give you some ointment to rub on your elbows so your elbows aren’t ugly.

All right. And that’s hilarious, right?

Scott DeLuzio: Sure.

Tim Thomas: criticizes my car. Someone criticizes my shoes. You know, it’s not just my shoes and my car, something outside of me, it’s my sense of self worth. And, and when you see [00:35:00] that, um, whether it’s by design or default, our consumer society wants us to do exactly that, to consume.

So if you had two groups of people, Scotty, one that was well rested, knew their value, knew how to improve their value, and were sovereign individuals, And then the other ones that weren’t sleeping properly, didn’t know their value, whatever they had was not enough, and always looked outside of them for external validation.

Which group would buy shit they didn’t need? Which group would think shit is actually more important than they are,

Scott DeLuzio: The people who need that external validation, right? Yeah.

Tim Thomas: And so if you want to, if you want to destabilize somebody, attack them in their sleep. So all these messages that we get during the daytime, all these imbalances show up at sleep. Show up, show up when you’re sleeping, right? So it’s, and, and a lot of people talk about sleep, and that really used to piss me off.

It’s like when I was going [00:36:00] through PDSD, we’d have all these academics coming in talking about PDSD going, we found this and blah, blah, blah. I’m like, so fucking what? I live with this stuff 24 7, okay? Tell me something I don’t know. Give me something to use right fucking now! That’s what I want, you know?

Um, and so, that’s why, um, I try to engage with the idea that permanency is one of the legs I stand on to create, you know, we can have a great conversation now, people can get something from it, but who are they to engage with? Tonight, who are they next week? So permanency, um, of, of benefit is, to me, determines how powerful you are.

So, so that’s why I’ve created my online resources like BreathworkinBed. com. You got a phone, you can download this stuff, you know, it’ll ask you two, three questions. Really simple questions. When you want to sleep, when you want to wake up, and it falls out of your phone with notifications, you just hit a button to guide you to sleep with peace.

And when you wake up at 3 a. m. You’ve got a [00:37:00] thousand things going through your head. It’s pretty goddamn lonely. So it’s really handy to have a button there you can push to guide your breath to get back to sleep. And I’m one of those guys that really struggle to get out of bed in the mornings. My whole body feels like lead and I want to puke.

Alright, but I’m a tough dude. I’ll just muscle on. The first two hours of my day usually sucks, right? But I found that if I can just give ten minutes of my, the first ten minutes of my day to breath work while I haven’t even left the bed, breath work, body activation, removing all the stuck energy, then holy shit, I’ve won the day if I just win the first ten minutes.

And, and I don’t do that naturally, so I’ve, I’ve just set it up so it’s, Can be accessed easily, readily, and, and immediately, you know, so I, I kind of withdrew from public life about two years ago, Scotty, um, I got a letter from a very high ranking army officer. I’d just done a workshop out on, on the, on the local army base here in Brisbane, and um, he didn’t attend, but he sent me this email saying [00:38:00] all these corporals and sergeants were coming up to him afterwards saying, um, that was the first good night’s sleep they had in up to five years.

And he thought it was awesome, but I’m like, no, it’s terrible. They haven’t slept in five years.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, right, right.

Tim Thomas: But, but what he said next had me withdraw from public life. He said, okay, it was good when you were there, but have you got anything the guys can use when you’re not there? I’m like, holy shit, I am not permanent.

You know, I’m, I’m powerful and positive, you know, I’m the circus that comes to town and it’s good, but I’m not, if I’m really about adding value to them, I have to have it permanent. I’ve got to give them something a week later, a year later, a decade later. So that’s why I’ve re sort of circulated back into public life with this tool that I can’t just go blah, blah, blah.

This is a good conversation. Well, here’s something you can use right fucking now, you know, and, and, and, uh, so I’ve got it lost in the, in the, in the, in the passion of it, but I think you’re picking up what I’m putting down.

Scott DeLuzio: I, I, I, yeah, I am. Uh, [00:39:00] and, and, and you’re right, because, yeah, sure, you, you can go do some motivational speak, you can, speaking, you can, you can go, you know, instruct them how to do this, you know, for, for right now, but, you know, what about next week? And, you know, a month from now, or, you know, a year from now?

What about, you know, after they, you know, we’ve all been to, you know, different, different Uh, you know, motivational speakers or, you know, other, see other people speak. And, you know, over time you start to forget what the people say, you know, maybe, maybe you went to go, you know, not, no, no fault of the other speaker that they, they may be incredible speakers, but you forget some of the details.

And so maybe you’re not, uh, you’re not going to be doing this as well next week or A month from now or a year from now even, um, perhaps maybe it becomes a habit and you’re good to go. But, you know, maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s not one of those types of things. Um, and maybe you do need to have a little bit of help.

You know, we’ve all [00:40:00] had restless nights. We wake up at two in the morning or whatever and we We need to figure out how to get back to sleep. You know, I, I, I know I’ve had that where I’m looking at the clock and I’m wide awake and it’s two o’clock and I was like, well, this is too damn early. I cannot be getting up at this time.

Um, how do I get back to sleep? Um, you know, it’d be great to have, you know, some, some way to kind of guide me back to sleep and, and,

Tim Thomas: And Scotty, you know, I can’t do what you do. All what the people listening can do, but if I can improve your sleep, then you’re going to do what you do even better, all

Scott DeLuzio: right, right.

Tim Thomas: if, even if I’m being completely selfish, um, in Afghanistan, I realized that it makes a lot of sense for me to have the people around me functioning optimally.

Because who don’t want around me when good times turn bad, you know? So I’m pretty thick skinned, so I, I, I sort of had impressed on me the interconnected nature of us humans. You know, um, [00:41:00] and I, I don’t like the saying, you know, we’re all connected, the way I kind of see it is we’re all living on the same grid, right? And, we’re actually feeling each other, uh, more than we’d admit. And that becomes really obvious when someone you care about gets physically removed from the grid. Okay? When someone you care about dies.

Because then you realize those golden invisible threads that you are feeling that person through, you feel them when they get severed.

Scott DeLuzio: sure.

Tim Thomas: So, so my,

Scott DeLuzio: notice the absence more, more than the presence, right?

Tim Thomas: so my sort of thing, Scotty, is just like if someone’s physically removed and you feel it, if someone’s physically improved, that benefits you as well.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, sure.

Tim Thomas: So, so my question is, you know, if the worst thing we could do to the enemy was deny them sleep, I think the best thing you could do for someone you care about is improve their sleep,

Scott DeLuzio: Sure.

Tim Thomas: know?

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And so it’s almost like a ripple effect that takes place [00:42:00] where if you can help one person in your circle, in your life, that’s connected to you somehow, uh, you know, with an improvement in their sleep, they get other areas of their life gets better. You know, just like you said, you know, whatever it is that they do will get better, uh, just because of that improved sleep.

So they become a better version of themselves. And they’re connected to you and they’re, they’re going to help you become a better version of yourself and, and other people who are around them. You know, it’s kind of like, uh, uh, you know, rising tides, uh,

Tim Thomas: Oh, yeah.

Scott DeLuzio: raise all ships, right?

Tim Thomas: think, oh, that’s maybe woo woo. And I’m like, okay, let’s go to the opposite end of it. You know, we all know some asshole that’s taken from us. All right? That shit in your head? That’s real. Okay. So conversely, when you’ve got someone in your head that’s well rested, committed to who they’re being as a person, that benefits you as well.

So I sometimes highlight the negative to, to, you know, to highlight the positive. [00:43:00] And. You know, if you don’t take the time to win the first 10 minutes of your day to connect to yourself powerfully, um, because those powerful inner connections usually lead to powerful external connections, all right? When I’m fully charged up inside myself, I’ve got less expectation on others.

As in, if I’m not fully charged up, I expect others to act a certain way. I expect others to be a certain way. You know, I haven’t given myself energy and I still need it. So I’m going to try and take it from others. You know, and then you wonder why there’s so many arseholes in the world because, you know, they need energy.

They haven’t generated it themselves, but they still need it. So they take it from others.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Right. Right. One of the things I want to go back just a bit, one of the things that you were talking about when you were involved in that ambush and you just kind of slowed down and you were able to, to start to think clearly about. You know, the, [00:44:00] the, the range of an RPG and, you know, how, how far away you need to be from, you know, certain areas and where, where you need to be positioned and everything just kind of slowed down and became a lot more clear in that moment.

I’m sure all of those thought processes took place in a matter of seconds. I mean, even just in the amount of time that it took you to describe that in words right now on this show, I don’t even know how long that took, but. It was way longer than however long it took in your brain at that, in that moment.

That was, it was probably maybe even a second, a fraction of a second, even. It just, it was just a thing that occurred to you. And now everything just kind of slowed down and you were able to kind of figure out what is going on around me. You can’t do that type of thinking, that level of thinking when you’re completely exhausted, when you’ve had no good sleep, right?

And. And to your point, what you’re just [00:45:00] saying, you know, starting your day off, getting, you know, connected with yourself and all, all that, that allows you to have that kind of clarity going out throughout your day, whether, you know, whether it’s driving to work, whether it’s, you know, having a conversation with, uh, you know, a friend.

A family member or whoever. You can kind of now be a little more perceptive and take, take in things that you might’ve missed when you’re, you’re in that daze because you need to get your coffee and you need to, you know,

Tim Thomas: Yeah. Yeah.

Scott DeLuzio: that’s what your focus

Tim Thomas: don’t have enough energy, consciously or not, we make it all about us, you

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Right.

Tim Thomas: I know I always notice how I react in traffic. That’s always a good one of how, how, you know, energized and powerful I am. Because, you know, I, I don’t think this is said out loud enough and this is the advice I give to my son.

A man’s happiness and generosity is relative to how powerful he feels.[00:46:00]

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: Okay? And, and that power starts with us. It’s, it starts with our body. You know, so I, I tell my son, you have to access your body, um, so you can be happy and you can be generous. Because if, and I would add one more thing to that, to the level to which we can relax is to the level of how powerful we feel.

Because if you want to see an unhappy, stingy guy that can’t relax, they’re not feeling powerful.

Scott DeLuzio: No.

Tim Thomas: You know what I mean? So, so, so, with, within that power, and I think of power and performance like a pyramid, okay? Most veterans especially, we’re used to the top of the pyramid, kicking ass, hitting targets, making bank, doing all these things at the top of the pyramid, but what they don’t show you in military training is the bottom of the pyramid, okay?

The rest, recovery, healing art forms, or accessing what they technically call your PNS. [00:47:00] Parasympathetic Nervous system, your break, the thing to slow you down, alright? And breath work allows you to go from the top of the pyramid into the rest, recovery, healing art forms. And done right, you can slingshot.

You push hard into your performance, you go down into your rest. That slingshots you back up and you go down. You ebb and you flow between those two. But too often as blokes, we got medals for, you know, Eating shit every day and, and not flinching. And, you know, there is a time and a place to muscle up and get the job done.

I think this country was made great from that. we don’t give ourselves the opportunity to go to the bottom of the pyramid, to develop the rest, recovery, healing art forms, there’s a limited time you have at the top. And then you start saying things like, Oh, my best years are behind me. Okay. Because if you work the bottom of the pyramid, you don’t age like other [00:48:00] people age. Okay. Okay.

Scott DeLuzio: Right. Yeah.

Tim Thomas: and so, yes, it’s about performance, but it’s, and it’s sometimes hard for guys to, um, relax and slow down because we tell ourselves if we’re doing nothing, we’re doing nothing, you know, especially if I’ve got my sense of self worth attached to what I do for a job or what I do for others.

Scott DeLuzio: That’s right.

Tim Thomas: You start feeling like you’re worthless when you’re doing nothing.

And the only way I’ve been able to get my head around that Scotty is that I have one day specifically dedicated to be free of all electronics, free of any work, sugar, or even any fast movements. I deliberately walk and move slowly. It’s fucking nuts for the first 30 minutes, half hour, but then your body just drops into it, right?

It’s called the buzzword these days is a dopamine detox.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: And the only way I’m able to drop into that is I like hitting targets, [00:49:00] right? But think of a bow and arrow. If I want to hit that target with my arrow, the first thing I need to do is the arrow goes away from the target. It goes in the opposite direction.

And as we’re going in the opposite direction, we’re creating momentum. So on my days off, when I’m, when I tell myself, Oh, I want to go do something. No, this is the bow. Going back so I can make an impact for the, for the rest of the week. That makes sense.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Yeah. So you can hit your targets for, for, for that week. Right. You, you, you have, you have probably goals or you have, uh, you know, meetings, appointments, you have things that you need to do, you know, whatever it is that’s on your, your schedule for the week. Um, but if you’re not rested and recharged and, you know, energized to get those things done, you’re, you’re going to start missing targets and you’re not going to do the things that you eventually need to

Tim Thomas: Yeah. And in our confusion, we get told, Oh, we just got to use more [00:50:00] grit, try harder, you know, as opposed to stop, rest, have a, I call it a bow day. Let go away from everything you think you want to go towards. And you’ll be surprised just how much of a, more of an impact you can make when you, when you have that rest.

Otherwise you sort of. Your world starts getting much smaller and then, and then that can only, that’s only sustainable for so long. Um, and I, and I do want to speak to something here. Um, and not many people talk about this, it’s not particularly popular, um, but it’s a veteran podcast and it’s a real issue to veterans.

I have discovered the pathway into suicide.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: So I mentioned earlier how pain, doesn’t matter if it’s physical or emotional, it’ll get to [00:51:00] a certain duration or intensity and it transforms into loneliness. And that might take a year, 18, 25 years, however long it takes. But then the person starts looking around and saying, what do I know right now? I can see that I’m in pain and I can see, if I’m being honest, I’m causing pain to others.

Scott DeLuzio: Mm hmm.

Tim Thomas: And if I look into my future, I can’t see that changing, you know, and that, that’s an honest opinion. Cause if you, you’ve got fuck all energy in this moment, you look into the future and you can’t see anything being different. And then, and this is where it gets dangerous. People start saying something like, you know what, this is a great idea.

I’m going to end the pain. I’m going to end the pain to me. I’m going to end the pain to you. I’m going to be doing everyone a favor by removing myself and ending the pain. And, you know, these conversations I’ve [00:52:00] had with veterans, I said, look, if you’re committed to killing yourself, I can’t stop you, but know this. If you’re doing it for the reason of ending the pain, all you’re going to do is multiply by about a thousand the amount of pain for everyone who knows you. Everyone who knows you. You’re going to amplify that pain. So don’t think for a goddamn second that you removing yourself is going to be doing anyone any favors.

Scott DeLuzio: That’s right.

Tim Thomas: And obviously, you know, building up from that point. Because otherwise, yeah, I, I’ve just, I’ve seen that pattern happen again and again. I actually see it as a favor they’re doing others because all they know is pain and all they can see is their future of pain. And I hope the words that I’m speaking right now is, is speaking into the hearts of those in that space and, and again, you know, really ask this question.

It’s the golden question. How many other people are in your [00:53:00] situation right now? Because you are now fully qualified to break their isolation. No one else can say what you say to that person because you’ve actually been in that place. It’s not what you do that gives us value to others. It’s what we’ve come through.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Exactly. And we, again, with, with this show, that’s what I want to do. I want to have people who have been through those things to be able to share that with other people so that they see they’re not alone. Maybe it’s just one other person, but hey, I’m not alone, right? There’s, there’s that other, the other person who’s gone through this and they have sort of laid out a roadmap. How do they get through it? Okay. Well now I got a little bit of hope. Now, now maybe there was no light at the end of the tunnel for me and I’m just seeing [00:54:00] darkness. Now I got a little, little glimpse of that light. And maybe it’s still far away, right? Because there might be a lot of work to do. Um, but it gives you a little bit of hope and

Tim Thomas: it pays to note, and this was very sobering to me, that I don’t have the privilege of taking my unresolved shit into the grave. it, it doesn’t die with me. I pay that forward to my kids. I pay that forward to everyone who meets me, okay, and if, and, and so my thoughts are it doesn’t die with me, okay, this, this, this, I’m, I’m gonna be creating, you know, an intergenerational trauma if I don’t deal with my trauma in my lifetime. And so, you know, that in and of itself is one way to break the isolation and take the responsibility, saying, you know, it has to be [00:55:00] me, because. If I don’t deal with it myself, I can’t take it to my grave. It’s still going forward. And I want, I want my future generations to be living as, as free as possible.

And as veterans, what the fuck were we fighting for? You know?

Scott DeLuzio: Exactly. Um, you know, I, I, I’ve used an analogy, uh, before, uh, I think on this show where, uh, you know, it’s kind of like being a rock or a boulder in, in a stream where, you know, the, the water was going in one direction all along. Um, but sometimes you got to just drop that rock in there and send it off into a different direction.

Because that, whatever direction it was going in, just things weren’t working. Things weren’t right. Now you got to move it into a different direction. And even if it means that there’s, there’s other stuff down in that, that direction that you were going, maybe it means you got to, you know, let go of something, maybe it means that you got to improve something.

Maybe it means that, that something else is it’s, [00:56:00] it’s a change really is what it is. It’s changing course and you’re moving in a different direction now, because whatever you’re doing. Wasn’t working. And so the definition of insanity is if you keep doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result, you’re, you’re, you’re cuckoo.

You know, there’s nothing going on right up there, but so you got to change something and you know, maybe a little thing, maybe a big thing. I, you know, everybody’s going to be different, but you got to change something and, and, you know, take it one step at a time and see where that takes you and, and how that gets you to a better place

Tim Thomas: Oh, I love that, Scotty. I love that. Because what you’re talking about there is, you know, as veterans, we’ve all had to show courage at some point, right? But doing what you’ve always done, it takes a lot of courage to go into the unfamiliar. Okay. It takes a lot of courage for me to do something I don’t normally do.

And that’s talk to somebody about some shit that’s going on, you know, takes a lot of courage for me to admit that what I’m doing ain’t fucking [00:57:00] working. You know, I can kid myself, but to be honest, you know, I said I was fine. I just had to drink half a carton of grog before I spoke to my then wife. And I call it my then wife, not my ex wife.

Cause I stand for a positive future. Um, and you know, I want to, in the, in the, in the spirit of. Permanency, I can talk about anything you like, Scotty, but can we allow a little bit of time at the end so I can, I can show the listeners, uh, uh, something that they can access immediately, uh, through their breath to relax their body and mind.

I want to gift them something that they can, they can use. So, so like I said, we can

Scott DeLuzio: if you could do that now, yeah, if you, yeah, if you could do that now, that would be wonderful, and then we can, uh, we can take it from there, yeah,

Tim Thomas: so I’m going to, I’m going to show you how to completely relax your body in three breaths.

Scott DeLuzio: okay.

Tim Thomas: now the [00:58:00] thing about breath work, it’s easy, but because we’ve been doing it our whole lives, um, we’re doing it a certain way.

So if you’ve, imagine, imagine if, you know, you’ve been to the gym and all you’ve done for a bicep, say a bicep curl is just like two centimeters of movement, and that’s, that’s been your whole experience of it, okay? It would blow your mind if you could actually do the full range of movement. Okay, um, so it is with breath work.

I’m always amazed at how many professional athletes don’t know how to breathe properly. So I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna spend a little bit of time and use all my power to show you how to breathe correctly. All right, now the only caveat to this is that you need to be either seated, laying down in a comfortable position, you’re not driving, you’re not cutting up carrots, because, uh, you need to be, uh, allowing your breath to do what it does.

Okay, so, and I always ask, can you give yourself permission [00:59:00] to let your breath do what it does and let this, this goodness in? Okay, cause I’m, I don’t see myself as a breath work coach. I see myself as someone who introduces you to the love of your life. Cause you’re going to start a relationship here with these, with these lungs because you’re going to discover that these aren’t just lungs.

They’re a medicine cabinet with a lot of different shelves. Okay, you breathe a certain way, you elicit a certain response, or some people might even say it like a, a magic potion, uh, cupboard, because what this does goes beyond words, goes beyond thinking. Okay, but I’m just going to show you something now, which is purely there for you to physically reset your body and mind within three breaths. So all I’m going to get you to do is just breathe in and breathe out. Great. So, what we’re going to do now is when we breathe [01:00:00] in, we’re going to breathe in again and again and again and again. Okay? So, breathe in and then breathe in again and again and again and again. Got it. Let that go. Now, did you notice the bit of extra space in your top third of your lungs?

When you breathe in again and again. Great. Okay. So for the sake of giving that a name, we’re going to call your first inhale, your primary inhale and your secondary inhale, your secondary inhale. Okay. Primary, secondary. All right. Military people get this.

Scott DeLuzio: You got to break it down in simple terms. We’re good.

Tim Thomas: Oh yeah. But yeah, you, you, I mean, how old are you, Scotty? Right.

Scott DeLuzio: Uh, four. Yeah. 42.

Tim Thomas: So for 42 years, you’ve been, you’ve got a habit. Alright, so for us to break this habit, it’s going to take a little bit of coaching, so, so give yourself permission just to, just to, you know, let this be what it is. There’s no right or wrong way to do it.

You know, the drill sergeant’s not going to, you know, [01:01:00] berate you here. Alright, so, so just try and have as much fun with this as possible. So let’s smooth this out. So let’s breathe in your primary and then into your secondary nice and smooth. So in, in, in, in. And then let that go, all right? Now, what nobody knows is that in our thumbs and fingers, if we pinch them together as hard as possible, that becomes a turbo boost button for our secondary inhale.

So what we’re going to do is we’re going to breathe into our primary inhale, and as we hit the secondary, we’re going to hit those turbo buttons, we’re going to pinch our thumb into our two fingers as hard as we can, and notice how that gives us a bit of a turbo boost, For our secondary inhale. So you got your, you got your power buttons ready there, Scotty. And everyone at home, we’re just going to breathe in, then we’re going to hit our fingers and pinch them together and get that secondary inhale even more powered up. Ready? [01:02:00] Breathing in, hit your power buttons, and just let that go.

Scott DeLuzio: That’s bizarre.

Tim Thomas: Isn’t it bizarre? Oh my gosh, who knew? We all have bodies, but we don’t know what the fuck they do.

Scott DeLuzio: had this button here this whole 42

Tim Thomas: whole time, your whole life, you didn’t know, all right? Well, it’s got to get even better, Scott. And I love this. What I love about breathwork is people just start laughing and smiling, all right? Because up in your top third, that’s where a lot of tension is held. You don’t even know it, right? Because look at my, look at my posture here.

I’m side on. When I’ve got shit in my head, I hunch over, okay? So I’m, I’m holding tension here. But when I breathe and open up, I’m dispelling the tension. Then I start putting this stupid smile on my face, right? So, so what we’re going to do is we’re just going to play with that. We’re going to breathe in.

And notice these power buttons that you never knew you had, powering up this secondary [01:03:00] inhale. So let’s just take two breaths in your own time. I encourage people listening just to, to breathe in. Hit those power buttons and go, Oh my gosh, I just discovered something. All right, you ready? Let’s go.

Breathing in, and really lengthen it in like, Oh my gosh, I never knew I had that space. Breathing in, power buttons. Awesome. Letting it out. All right, so we are gonna juice your secondary inhale up even more. So if you give your power buttons, your two power buttons and your chin like a triangle, okay? This is gonna become a power triangle. So what we’re gonna do is as we, uh, hit our secondary inhale, we’re gonna stretch our chin up to the ceiling and, and kinda lean back. Alright, leaning back, almost kind of like you’re limboing, so we’re hitting our power buttons, pulling them back, raising our [01:04:00] chin up, and opening up everything on the front of us.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: chin to the ceiling, opening up like so. You clear with that?

Scott DeLuzio: I think so.

Tim Thomas: Now, let’s, let’s start with exhaling. Blow it all out. Everyone listening, blow it all out. power buttons ready, breathe in. Hit your power buttons, raise your chin, raise your chest, open, open, open. Now hold that and wriggle your shoulders.

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle. Allow that space to open up. Allow that space to open up and let it out with a sigh. Ah,

Scott DeLuzio: Holy shit. I really hope people are doing this

Tim Thomas: oh yeah,

Scott DeLuzio: who are listening to this. I really hope they’re, they’re following along. If not rewind this, go back, do it again.

Tim Thomas: It’s we’re getting high on our own supply, but you know what? We’re only halfway through this. Okay. And just for fun, we want to do that one more time so we can knock it home. All right. So have your power buttons ready. Have your chin. Okay. And, and, and when [01:05:00] I, when I prompt at the end, I want a deliberately loud sigh, like a, ah, okay, cool, cool.

All right. So blow it all the way out. Everybody out, out, out, have your power buttons ready. Breathing in, hit your power buttons, raise your chin, raise your chest in, in, in, in, in, in, in, hold it. Wriggle your shoulders, wriggle your shoulders, open up that space, and with a really big sigh, let it out. Arrrgh.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: Alright. Okay, so, we are halfway through this. Okay, so, just like, you know, when we’re feeling like shit, we rolled our shoulders forward, things are impossible in this space. But when we breathe into that secondary inhale, things become possible. So, what I call the secondary inhale is I call this the breath.

of possibility, okay? So, you don’t have to be as dramatic as this [01:06:00] in public, but these two little, um, turbo buttons, they’re the circuit breaker for the shit in your head, all right? So, when I’m in public and I got shit in my head, I’ll hit these power buttons and deliberately force air into that top third of my lungs.

And all of a sudden, is impossible becomes possible. And I break the circuit of shit that’s going around and around in my head. You got that?

Scott DeLuzio: Sure.

Tim Thomas: So whenever you go forward from here, notice these fingers, they’re your circuit breakers that can establish the level of normal that you want in your life. Okay? So, so, breath of possibility.

Is what we’re tapping into right now. Now, you’re doing really well, by the way. When I do workshops, I take up to an hour to teach people this. So, you’re doing really good. Um, so, uh, let’s divide our Lungs into thirds. Your top third, your middle and your lower.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: your lower is where your belly [01:07:00] button is.

Um, and your top third is your breath of possibility and your lower third down by your belly button is your breath of peace. All right. Now, the reason why breath work is so powerful is before, if you think of us as evolved living organisms, before we were sentient, before we were putting paintings on rock walls, We were breathing, okay?

Before we were speaking, we were breathing. So that deep ancient wiring lives inside of us and it outranks the shit that’s in your head. right? This bolt on sentience, it’s a relative newcomer to our evolution, is outranked by our breath.

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: Okay, and if you don’t believe me, when I was a professional fighter, I fought a lot of guys that were more skilled than me, you know, black belts and what they were doing.

But I [01:08:00] noticed if I attacked their lungs, That outranked their thinking mind. I take away their breath, I can roll them up, okay? So, so there’s, there’s something very tactile and deep when we access our breath and that’s why I’m such a fan of it, okay? You don’t hear about this stuff because no one’s making money from it, all right?

It, it basically makes you become a sovereign individual. You don’t need that crap that you think you need when you can actually see the value and develop the value and nourish this stuff that’s underneath your own skin. And the easiest gateway to that is your breath. And that’s why I’m, I’m taking my time to sort of break this down so you can actually see all the benefits.

It’s not just a thing. It’s, it’s fucking everything. You know, so we’re going to do that same thing again, where we raise up, open everything up. We’re going to hold it, but then we’re going to allow ourselves to collapse forward. So we’re going from an open position to letting [01:09:00] your head go forward, and we’re going to move that air from our upper third, middle third, down low.

We’re almost going to sort of Roll ourselves like a toothpaste tube that you’re rolling it all down to your belly, okay? You’re gonna push it down as low as it can go. Your, your hands are gonna be on your belly. And we’re going to pressurize that and we’re going to let it out, you know, like you got that pressure cooker on the stove and it’s going to let the pressure out.

That’s what we’re going to do with our mouths. We’re going to have that deep breath in. We’re going to pressurize it down low and we’re going to let it out super slow with that sounding. Uh, through our, through our mouth,

Scott DeLuzio: Okay.

Tim Thomas: okay? And we’re gonna do that three times, because it’s usually the third time people sort of figure out, because this is the new movement.

Again, there’s, there’s no wrong way to do this. Just rewind this as many times as possible, because if you can, if you can have this as a muscle memory, you’re going to be essentially able to hit a self medicate [01:10:00] button. Okay? When I, when I was in my pill taking days, I didn’t just have pills in the medicine cabinet.

I had it in the, You know, the food cabinet, the fruit bowl, in my car, all these different places, because I was always trying to self medicate. So, when people ask me how much I should breathe, how much you should breathe, or do breath work, I’m like, whenever you need it, you can self medicate. And if this becomes your go to, then this is, again, a step towards you becoming a sovereign individual.

You know what I mean?

Scott DeLuzio: Excellent.

Tim Thomas: Yeah, cool, cool. So, I’ve spoken enough. Let’s, let’s take this on the track. Let’s take this on the track. So, I’ll be coaching you through this. Uh, have your power buttons ready. Have your chin ready. Firstly, blow everything out. Out, out, out, out, out. Now, breathing in. Hit your power buttons.

Raise your chin. Raise your chest. Lengthen the inhale. Lengthen the inhale. In, in, in. Hold that. Hold that. Wriggle your shoulders, wriggle your shoulders, let your head collapse forward, let your head collapse forward, feel the air going down from your upper middle, [01:11:00] put your hands on your belly, hands on your belly, feel it down low, push that balloon down low, I encourage you just to let your head hang down, like your head is down beneath you, towards your knees, pressurize it, let out a tsss, as slow as you can, tsss, let it out, let it out, keep letting it out, and as you let it out, allow your body to collapse like an inflatable toy.

All the tension is leaving your body like a deflating toy, everything’s leaving, leaving, leaving.

Scott DeLuzio: And I’m back.

Tim Thomas: And let’s do that two more times.

Scott DeLuzio: All right.

Tim Thomas: Breathing in, hit your power buttons. up. Feels really good to open up. Wriggle the shoulders. Open up that heart space. And then hold it. Let your head collapse forward. Let your head collapse forward.

Put your hands on your belly. Hands on your belly. Feel it all going to your belly. Let your head fall down. Let your head fall down. Let it out super slow. And as that air leaves your body, picture your body, [01:12:00] all the tension just falling away, deflating all the tension, your shoulders, the top of your head, your face, your arms, everything’s just falling away. And then when you’re ready, let’s take another deep breath in, hit your power buttons, in, in, in, hold wriggle those shoulders, open up that chest. And then in the most relaxed way, hold your breath, let everything just fall forward, falling forward. I encourage you, close your eyes, hands on your belly, let your head fall forward, let your head fall forward, and as you let out the tsss, let all the tension from your shoulders just drop out.

Let all the tension from your spine just drop out. Your lower back, your arms, your face. And just let it all stay there. And I encourage you to just keep, just close your eyes for a second and just notice how when you breathe now, [01:13:00] you’ve got a longer range of movement in your breath. And I encourage you with all your muscles, allow the chair you’re sitting in to support your weight. The chair was built to hold you. Allow your muscles to feel supported by that wonderful chair, allow yourself to just sort of melt into the chair. So often in our tension, we don’t allow ourselves to feel supported. It’s like our own tension is our own way of trying to hold us, but it doesn’t work like that.

It’s only when we release that tension that we can feel truly held, truly supported, which is what that chair is doing for you right now. It’s so wonderful to feel supported, to feel relaxed. And to know that the gateway to this wonderful feeling is as simple as breathing.

Scott DeLuzio: That’s an incredible feeling. It’s so weird. Uh, how, how [01:14:00] that happens, but, um, you know, just, just taking those, those few short breaths, um, three, three breaths and You know, you can feel like the tension in the shoulders, you know, in the chest and everything, everything’s just kind of relaxed and, you know, I’ve, I’ve gone through, I don’t even know how many different, you know, meditation and, you know, breathing, you know, they, they kind of guided, you know, breathing type things.

And I don’t know, some of them are okay, I guess, you know, uh, they, they help a little. It’s not something, you know, like this, it broke it down in a simple way. I don’t care if it’s two o’clock in the morning, I’m pretty sure I can remember how to breathe three times. You know, in the manner that you just described.

And, I don’t need to You know, you know, get myself all worked up like, Oh, am I doing it right or [01:15:00] whatever? It’s, it’s, it’s pretty simple. And like at the end of it, I’m, I’m pretty relaxed. Um, I don’t know if anyone’s who’s watching the video, uh, of this. I don’t know if they noticed or not, but I

Tim Thomas: you look different. Yeah, yeah.

Scott DeLuzio: I yawned after I, after I did this and I, I was like, Oh shit. It’s not because of the conversation’s boring or anything. It’s I’m, I’m relaxed, you know? Um, and, and so it’s, it’s pretty incredible. So, you know, I, I,

Tim Thomas: Scotty?

Scott DeLuzio: yeah, sure.

Tim Thomas: What you experience and what the potential audience experience goes beyond words. It’s really hard to explain this to somebody else who hasn’t experienced this. You know, this is, this is the piece that transcends human understanding. And breath is one of those things that can take you there with such immediacy. And, and this is what nobody tells you. You know, when you find the right healer, healing takes far less time than you think. But, but finding the right healer, [01:16:00] that’s what takes the time. And, and just as easily as I showed you this, and I encourage people to keep this episode, um, you know, in a place they can readily access.

Because if this has worked for you, if this has relaxed you, how many other people do you know? That you could just as easily show and you could be the one that brings them into that wonderful, peaceful place where they actually get to access the higher thinking. I can’t tell you how many pills I used to take to have this feeling, how much alcohol I used to have to drink to have this feeling.

Cause I, I didn’t know that all this stuff was actually inside of me.

Scott DeLuzio: Mm hmm.

Tim Thomas: And this is the message we need to, we need to sort of push out there because it’s up to authentic individuals like us to, to share it, to connect people into that power. Cause when you’re connected into that power, there’s no resales.

Okay. They’ve got it. They’ve got the love of their life, you know, and yeah, I’ve got a, I’ve got an app. You could type in breath, working bed in your phone and have that as a guided practice. And it’s, and it’s really good to [01:17:00] have that discipline, but you’ve got something now you’ve got a tool in your belt.

That you can, I encourage you to master it for yourself, to have that circuit breaker as you’re walking around the place

Scott DeLuzio: mm hmm.

Tim Thomas: and then show other people. If someone’s freaking the fuck out, stop with them and do that little thing with them and watch the change.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, right. It’s incredible, and you know, it’s one of those things where I’m, like, I’m gonna tell other people about this. Like, this is one of those things you gotta kind of spread out. It’s not one of those secrets you want to keep to yourself, right? You know, especially, you know, in a family setting, when you might have somebody who’s freaking out about something, about a, you know, work deadline, or, you know, some other issues that they got going on, or whatever.

It’s like, You can kind of relax a little bit and kind of calm down. And, and of course you don’t want to say it that way. Cause that would totally derail the whole conversation. Hey, just calm down. Right?

Tim Thomas: breathe in and breathe in again, you know, breathe in and squeeze your fingers, you know, and then, you [01:18:00] know, hold it, wriggle it. Okay. Cause, cause the physiologically, what happens is proper breathing gives you proper alignment. Okay? And if you think of our power system like a bunch of circuits, our, our nerves are like, you know, you know, like a garden hose.

And if you pinch a garden hose, you restrict the amount of water that comes out. Our nerves, our power system’s like that. So when we’re hunched over, we’re literally, Choking out our power system. So when we breathe in and open everything up, we allow it to flow correctly. Uh, and when I was working with the, um, British Special Forces, they showed that every degree of, of cant, every degree of hip cant, that the degree of their hips that it was, would, uh, reduce power and increase injuries. Simply by structural alignment. Okay. So, so understand that, um, these little circuit breakers that we do, it’s, it’s beyond just mental, it is, it is integrating [01:19:00] so many different systems to make you the powerful individual that you’re built to be. And, and, and, and I’ve got to share this because this is what makes me super excited. sleep is the first step. Okay. Everyone needs to be met where they are and get out of fatigue. But if you go off the idea that sleep is the soil from which everything grows, the thing that makes me super excited, Scotty, isn’t just improving people’s sleep. Inside of people, they have seeds of greatness, seeds of uniqueness, laying dormant, waiting for the right conditions.

So when you start getting out of fatigue, all those seeds of greatness about you, they flourish. You know, so, so there is an accumulation effect of benefit of, you know, guarding your sleep. Because, again, if we don’t grow those seeds of greatness in our lifetime, we just pass it forward to our kids to sort out. You know what I mean? So this is, this is, this is just sort [01:20:00] of the call to action I have for people right now is to, you know, improve your soil and watch what happens. Improve the soil of those around you and watch what happens in their life. That’s the, that’s the shit that gets me excited.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, absolutely. And, and any parent who’s out there, uh, is going to probably agree with this statement that they want better for their kids than what they had for themselves. But imagine if you raise that bar for yourself, and now your bar is higher, that means your kid’s bar is going to be higher, right?

If, if, if that’s what you’re, you’re, you’re offering to them is, is something better than what you had, then, Then that that bar, raising your bar make makes their bar get higher and, and they just get that much better. And, and then to your point that that has that, that effect of affecting everybody else, um, it’s gonna affect your grandkids, it’s gonna affect your great grandkid, you know, because that bar has already been.

Raised up higher. And, and so, [01:21:00] gosh, you know, this has so many implications and so many, uh, benefits for, for people. Um, you, you mentioned the app, uh, you know, people can obviously go, uh, get it breathwork in bed. Right.

Tim Thomas: you just go into your phone, look up three words, breath work, one word in bed, it’ll ask you two simple questions. When you want to sleep, when you want to wake up, we take care of the rest. There is a bunch of bonus features in there, which I won’t go into now, but if, if just watch what happens when you start going to sleep with peace. And getting out of bed with power, winning the first 10 minutes of the day, all right? Uh, connecting to yourself powerfully first, and then experiencing the joy of what it is to connect to others powerfully. Because I think that’s, that’s what true human joy is. Um, you know, being generous with others out of your abundance.

So I don’t give of myself anymore, I give of my abundance. Because if I know, if I wake up and I’m [01:22:00] adequate, if I’m at 100 percent and I have to give, you know, fucking Scotty 10%, then, then I’m down to 90 percent and Scotty, you better do something with that 10%, right? So, so that’s why I, I, I was sincere when I’ve spent the last three hours investigating myself so I can be completely abundant.

So if I’ve got 500%, I can give away 20 percent a day. People can love it, hate it, tell me to fuck off. It doesn’t matter. I’m in touch with something so much more powerful than what can be taken.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Right.

Tim Thomas: And you know, we’ve all been taken from that. If we look at what’s been taken, Oh shit, someone took 25 cents from me.

I’ll forget that I can create a million dollars tomorrow. You know, me chasing that 25 cents stops me living as an energetic millionaire.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, right,

Tim Thomas: You know what I mean?

Scott DeLuzio: right. Yeah It’s like, you know, if somebody messes up the, you know, five minutes of your day, right? Are you gonna blow the rest of your day being pissed off at that person? Angry, you [01:23:00] know? Yelling at your wife and, you know, coming home and, you know, making a, you know, just a bad situation worse Or are you just gonna, you know, be like, all right, man, that, that sucks.

But, you know, whatever, let’s move on, you know, and Yeah, sure, deal with the situation if it needs dealing with, but, but don’t let it ruin the rest of your day,

Tim Thomas: Yeah, we, we can’t stop people taking from us. If we tried, we end up just becoming these really defensive arseholes, but what they can’t stop is us reinvesting in, uh, ourselves, and, and I really need to share something right now, so, you know, um, that particular sergeant I was talking about, you know, I was, I was going through that much shit, I’m like, you know what, if I killed this guy, I’d be getting less time in prison than, than the pain I’ve been suffering, you Okay.

Um, and again, isolated thinking, right? And the, the thing that’s, and it was such a gift, such a gift receiving that, uh, uh, [01:24:00] abuse, because what that taught me was that when people take from me, It’s only because they’re a zero.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.

Tim Thomas: right. And, and, and, and, and those zeros get really good at manipulating others.

And there, if you look at the graph of potential, right, their potential is limited to the amount of victims they can find. Okay.

Scott DeLuzio: Sure. Yeah.

Tim Thomas: But my potential is not limited. So if I just invest in me, invest in me, invest in me, invest in me, you know, all of a sudden there’s a great saying alike, you know, God make my enemies dust beneath my feet. And then you become so big that they become so small. And so when I’m, when I’m talking with high school students, I say, you know, we’ve all been taken from, but don’t let it stop you tapping into this very unique human skill that we have. We’ve got the ability to improve ourselves, to develop ourselves.

And if you, if you, I showed them a picture of a [01:25:00] Venus flytrap and I say, listen, and they’re quite a small plant, these Venus flytraps, right? I say, look, it’s a small plant, but to a fly, this Venus flytrap is terrifying, right?

Scott DeLuzio: Sure.

Tim Thomas: But if this fly had our unique human ability to develop itself, to make it bigger, to invest in itself, the fly could turn into a bird, the bird could turn into a cat, the cat could turn into a lion.

Okay, and imagine that lion walking along, looking at that Venus flytrap, it would be like laughing at itself that it ever took that as a serious threat. You know, so, so anyone that takes from you, just say, you’re a Venus flytrap in the making. You know, I’m going to thank you for scaring the shit out of me and taking from me because now I’m becoming the lion, you know, because,

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.

Tim Thomas: I lost a lot of my life trying to, trying to get back what was taken from me, but it was there to teach me how to essentially become the best version of myself.

Scott DeLuzio: yeah, and the more you invest in yourself, you know, so you’re talking about, you know, if you’re at 500%, [01:26:00] you can give away 20 percent and that’s, that’s no big deal to you. Um, and, and you still have plenty left over for yourself, for others, for, for everything, right. But you are still at a hundred percent and, uh, And so if somebody comes around and tries to take from you and tries to ruin your day, well, okay, well, that’s going to roll off of you pretty easily because you have so much in abundance, right?

You know, it’s like if I was to, you know, steal 5 from Bill Gates, Do you think he’s ever going to notice five dollars? You know what I

Tim Thomas: But if Bill Gates only had 6 and you took five, that would be a massive withdrawal.

Scott DeLuzio: It would be a massive problem, right? For him. Yeah. And he would definitely notice and he’d be coming after me. Right. But you know, those are, are the, the, that, that’s what you’re trying to say is like, you, you want to build that, that equity in yourself so that you have so much that five dollars isn’t going to bother you.

[01:27:00] You know, someone comes around and that, Yeah, exactly. You know, and, and just going back to the, the breath work, you’re talking about how, you know, we’ve been doing this our whole lives, everybody we’ve, from the moment we’re born to, you know, the moment we die, we’re breathing. And I had this, this This conversation with my son, uh, a little while ago, he’s a pitcher in baseball and he was, he was doing this nasty thing where he was throwing this sidearm thing, right?

And it was just not the right form and he wasn’t getting the ball over the, over the plate the right way, right? And he’d get lucky every once in a while and get it over the plate, but it just wasn’t the right form. And he goes, I don’t know what the problem is. I’m, I’m, I’m out there practicing. I’m practicing.

I’m practicing. I go, yeah, but you’re practicing it the wrong way. And so you’re getting really good. At doing it the wrong way. And, and you’re going to, you’re just going to get in that habit and that routine of doing it the wrong way over and over and over again, that that’s what just feels natural [01:28:00] and doing it the right way is what’s going to feel unnatural.

And you’re, you’re not, you’re going to shy away from it. You’re not going to want to do that. Right. So to your point, If, if we’re practicing this time and time again, and we’re, we’re, we’re becoming, uh, we’re making a habit out of breathing the right way, getting, getting those full breaths in our lungs and, and filling it up the top third and, and then releasing it the right way, you know, all that stuff, the wiggling and all of that stuff, getting all that stuff the right way, we start to incorporate that into our, our daily practice.

How much better are we going to be? You know, yeah, sure, today, but what are we going to look like a year from now?

Tim Thomas: You’re absolutely right. And to highlight the benefits of proper breathing, and again, it goes beyond words. It’s the piece that transcends human understanding. I want to highlight the negative effect. Okay, so if you saw someone on the street or anyone you know going, you know, shallow chest breathing, they’re [01:29:00] freaking out.

They’re in fight or flight. Something bad’s going to happen. If you don’t take those conscious full breaths and you’re shallow breathing, you’re feeding a signal to your system that I’m in fight or flight. I can’t actually relax, drop down into my, you know, deep, peaceful state. So shallow breathing, chest breathing, basically stops you being the person you’re born to be and will pretty much put you into an early grave.

There’s not, there’s not a system in your, there’s not a function in your bodily system that isn’t impacted by poor breathing. Just like, and I do want to deliberately kind of scare people here, um, just to highlight that when you breathe properly, Every goddamn thing in your system is benefited. People ask me, why do you do two hours of breath work a day?

And I’m like, if you had something that benefited everything in your body, everything in your mind. Made you live longer, made you feel younger, um, [01:30:00] made you work more secure, made your relationships better. And it was free!

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,

Tim Thomas: Would you do it? You know, but, but I, I, I do want to highlight the negative to highlight the positive because um, I’ll just, I’ll leave it with this.

There’s, I think to, to move forward, you need to embrace both. All right. They did this fantastic experiment once where they had this, uh, mouse. It had like a little spring on its tail to measure how many Newtons of force it went towards the cheese. So something it wanted. And it was like 300 neutrons, whatever it was, but then they put in the smell of a cat.

All right. Uh, and then it went up to like 1200. All right. So we talk about integrating the shadow. So, you know, I had a lot of things when I was doing my special forces selection, you know, I was 30 years old and some days I was doing it. Because I wanted to have the Sherwood Beret, I wanted to be in the Special Forces. But other days, when I was completely [01:31:00] fucked, I was blessed to have my last job, have a boss that was a complete arsehole. Alright? So, I’m like, some days, I was only moving forward because I’m like, if I stop here, I’m gonna have to go back to that fucker. And there’s no goddamn way I’m going to be going back to that.

So it, you know, embracing that which you don’t want often helps you propel forward. Now, I don’t know, you know, what your listeners destiny is. Okay. But I can, I can take a pretty good guess at what it isn’t. Okay. And that is poor breathing, early death, poor functioning, and poor sleep.

Scott DeLuzio: right.

Tim Thomas: And, and, and the good news is that is so easily corrected.

And if you need help, I’ve got a platform here to help you. This is a platform that [01:32:00] is going to unlock all those seeds of greatness that are just sitting there waiting to grow. And, and, you know, that’s the kind of world I want to happily live in, to have people in that flourishing state, connected to their breath, connected to those full, peaceful, you know, sovereign states where, you know, you can give yourself everything you need.

You know, imagine leaving the house, you know, having given yourself everything you need. Your day’s just a victory lap. You know, you’re already abundant. You know what I mean? It’s not a competition anymore.

Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you’ve already won. And, uh, everything else is just icing on the cake. So, um, I think with that, um, you know, Tim, I think this has been a A wonderful conversation, um, great, uh, tutorial showing us how to, uh, basically do the, this breath work. [01:33:00] Three simple breaths, um, gosh, it, it’s really been amazing.

Um, where can people go, uh, I, I know you have the app. Is there anywhere else that you’d like to send people to,

Tim Thomas: I got all the socials, but you know, the, the world doesn’t need more eyeballs staring at social crap, right? I’ve, I’ve got that. Yes, you can follow us. No problem. But, but if I was to offer anything to anybody, it is to access those wonderful resources that are your own breath. I want to be the guy that connects you to the love of your life.

Scott DeLuzio: Excellent.

Tim Thomas: There’s enough social media out there. Yes, I’ve got it. I have to have it as part of my business, but that if you could take anything, you know, it, this, this is a subscription based model. Okay. There is a 28 day free trial. Um, know, for less than a cup of coffee, you will be able to nourish the most powerful part of you.

Um, and, but, but if you want to reach out to me personally, um, you know, I do run workshops. I can do one on ones, uh, just reach out through my, through my [01:34:00] website. I’m going to, I’m going to, I’m going to send you, your listeners a few things. I’m going to send a little link. That the first 20 clicks will get my free audio book.

And there’s a bunch of free breath work at the end of that. I’m also going to include a link for that, um, breath of possibility and breath of peace. Okay. So you can, you can dial into that. So, um, I’ll send you a few free audio books. I’ll give you all the links to my stuff. Uh, and as well as the link to, um, you know, the breath work that you can, you can, um, You can start knowing what it is to, to go into the day feeling powerful and connected.

Scott DeLuzio: Excellent. Well, and I will put all those links in the show notes. So, you know, as soon as I get those, uh, from you, we’ll, we’ll pop them into the show notes and, uh, listeners. Yeah. Check it out. Um, get the app, get the, uh, you know, try to get some of those, uh, free downloads, all that, that good stuff. And, um, yeah, Tim, thank you [01:35:00] again, so much for taking the time out of your day, uh, You know, and, uh, investing in, in us and, and helping us, uh, grow and flourish, um, you know, through, uh, the, the, the practices that you just shared.

So thank you.

Tim Thomas: Now, it really warms my heart, Scotty. I feel like we’ve done some good here, and I feel like the people listening have got a really well equipped to, to pay forward powerfully into their lives and the lives of those people that they really love.

Scott DeLuzio: Excellent. Thanks again.