Episode 492 Ricoh Danielson Veterans Transitioning to Cybersecurity Careers Transcript
This transcript is from episode 492 with guest Ricoh Danielson.
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Hey Ricoh, thanks for joining me. I’m really glad to have you here. Welcome to the show.
Ricoh Danielson: Hey, rock and roll man. Happy to be here, man. Let’s do this.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, absolutely. So tell us a little bit about your [00:02:00] background. We were talking just a bit before we started recording here, but tell me a little bit about your background, your, your kind of military history, who you, who you are, where all that, that got you to.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. So, you know, was in the army. First job ever was like a fueler. Right. And I was like, cause I just wanted to get in. I was like, let me just do that. And then I would reclass a combat arms. You know, doing some really, cause being 11 Bravo and then also 13 Fox and all that good stuff. And I deployed right about nine times, a little bit of mix between the military and also doing this thing called OGA, other government agency.
Yeah. You know, we all see the cool guys with the big beards and big muscles. And, and that was part of my job. I was a tier one operator for a very long time. You know, went anywhere from Iraq to Africa to Haiti to anywhere in between. You know, it was really good. It was really good. During that process and my last pump 2014, I got shot and I was like, Hey, I’m kind of done. I went from my one last pump to go get money to make money. for family court, but I had just finished up law school [00:03:00] on 2014. So I didn’t need to go. I didn’t have to go. I just was like, Hey, I got one more, one more in me. And, and yeah, that was it. Now one more in me. And after that finished up law school, helped stand up veteran court in Phoenix, Arizona. Really, really cool, really eyeopening help do the advocation for their own cell pods within Maricopa County jail. Got to really know a lot of politicians and realized I did not want to be a politician. Worked a lot with OPDS public defense doing cell phone forensics, digital forensics on criminal and civil cases.
And I think that was the onset of going into cyber cybersecurity, standing up my own firm and then becoming a national security advisor to the news. Yeah.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, that’s, that’s pretty incredible that career, how, you know, it’s got a whole bunch of complexities to it. You, you jumped around in the military from, you know, one, one MOS to another. And and that’s cool. You know, people do that all the time where, where they, they switch MOS’s and, and you know, that’s for one reason or another.
And that, that’s, that’s pretty awesome. But and [00:04:00] then. Getting through law school and doing something with that to help out veterans. You know, you were talking about that veterans court tell us a little about that and, and what, what that’s all about and how that came to be.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah, I don’t tell a lot of people this. I actually have three masters as well. And I’m just like, Hey, you know,
Scott DeLuzio: There’s just a little flex, right? Not as big,
Ricoh Danielson: also written books too. So, um, yeah, so it was really cool. Like, I remember being living in downtown Phoenix and kind of going through law school. I remember I was bouncing and bartending at like North Phoenix, trying to make it through law school.
Right. And then I finally finished and I’ll spend a lot of time at the VA being like an advocate. And also spend a lot of time at the veteran court and man, like every Friday morning, I’ll sit down with, I remember Magellan health, VA, VA legal services, myself, the judge. And we’re like, all right, so who do we have?
And we had this huge docket of, of guys and women. And they were just like, all right, well, this guy’s got the third DUI. I’m like, Oh my gosh. And [00:05:00] many times it was kind of like, we would go to court right, right around, you know, nine 30, 10 o’clock. And. Start going through the list. Like, Hey, can we get a diversionary program?
Can we get, you know, a lesser sentence? And that was the whole idea, right? Not a second chance. But if you do these things, can you get a lesser sentence? And some stuff like there was this one kid. I, there’s just no helping him. Unfortunately it was, he was smuggling people in a Humvee across the United States, Mexico border. Dude, you gotta go to jail. Right. It just, and,
and,
Scott DeLuzio: fucked up the bottom line.
Ricoh Danielson: and you know, he was a soldier in the national guard and. And you’re like, dude, and the really weird part is he’s like, okay, I know I screwed up. And his command was like, Hey, we know we got to take 10, but everybody was very nice. And working with the Jag it was like, Hey dude, you’re going to have to be, he went into the prison for I think. Six, he got a sense of six years, but only served one. Now he’s out doing some good stuff. And one in every 500 stories, you’ll see like [00:06:00] veterans doing some good stuff. And it, you know, it kind of drains you emotionally and also mentally like, dude, come on. And, and that’s why, you know, I shifted to another parameter of life, you know.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, I could imagine that it takes a toll because there are those people that are just going to be those. Frequent flyers, if you will, and, and they’re going to be, they’re going to be back. You, you get them out early and they’re just going to keep, keep on doing what they have been doing. And I, I wonder, and, and you may not have the answer to this is just kind of more in my mind, a rhetorical question, unless you have the answer and that’d be great.
But I, I wonder what it is that gets people in that cycle where they. They just can’t find themselves out. You know, fine. You got a one off guy who screwed up, was smuggling people across the border. That I can’t, I’m not imagining that that guy’s going to go back into that line of [00:07:00] work. Maybe he will. I don’t know, but maybe he will.
But the, the person with three DUIs or, you know, you know, domestic violence or, you know, whatever those. Those things are that they just seem to be coming back for the same thing over and over again. It’s like, what the hell, man? Like, obviously, this got you in trouble the first time. Also, the second time.
Now you’re here a third time. When are you going to pull your head out of your ass? You know?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. You know, it goes to like, I believe there’s one thing that captures somebody’s foothold in the legal system. And it’s usually that DV thing, the domestic violence. And, and it, and it grabs you. And then all of a sudden you need these things, you just see it perpetuate. Right. I really believe that, you know, a lot of veterans, you know, or service member, unfortunately get in their own way.
I mean, there is this, this, Okayness, which is not okay to be like, Hey, it’s okay to drink. It’s okay to get smashed. It’s okay to do these things. And it’s like, Whoa, dude, time out, you know? No, it’s not. Okay. And then I think if you, if you surround [00:08:00] yourself around certain people, it’s a little bit better myself as an operator, right. I, I got five guys that I know that are still out there in Afghanistan, still never seen their family, they’re divorced nine times you know, they, they’re living that, that life, but it’s, and they come, they call me crazy for living my life, you know, and they’re like, why would you go to law school?
Why would you do that’s just stupid. And I’m like, dude, because I don’t, I’ve already been shot. I’m good, man.
Scott DeLuzio: Right, right.
Ricoh Danielson: they just don’t kind of get out of their own way. And, you know, you got to look at the bigger picture and I know it sounds very philanthropic and whatever bit like. What does the next three to five years look like other than living?
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, living is maybe just taking it one day at a time with no real plan, and maybe it’s not even one day at a time, maybe it’s just taking the next hour or the next 10 minutes at a time, and, and they’re not seeing beyond that. Whatever that decision is that decision to go out and get smashed tonight, you know, okay fine I’m gonna I’m gonna do that, but [00:09:00] I’m not seeing okay.
How am I getting home from the bar or Wherever I you know, I’m not thinking that far ahead even never mind three to five years or ten years or or any of that Kind of plan. I’m not even thinking to the end of the night. How am I making it back home? I’m just going out and getting smashed or whatever so that That, that to me is like, I don’t know, think, think one more step ahead and, and you’re golden.
You, you can go ahead and get drunk if you want to get drunk, be my guest, you know, I don’t know, invite some friends over and, and, you know, do it at home and that way you’re not driving anywhere, you know, or, or I don’t know, whatever. I know we’re going down a rabbit hole with this, but it just, it kills me to see that the same things happen over and over again.
It’s like the definition of insanity is if you’re doing the same thing, expecting a different result. I mean, that’s, that’s it, right? I mean,
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. That one thing that you’re doing, like, if you’re going to get drunk, go, go get drunk. That’s [00:10:00] fine. That’s cool. But just don’t get like super lit and do something stupid. Right?
Scott DeLuzio: right. Yeah. And, and, and put yourself or somebody else’s life in danger. And that’s essentially what you’re doing, right? You also, you’re talking about transitioning into kind of cybersecurity and, and, and that type of thing. Tell us a little bit about that. How, how did that come about?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. So, when I was in law school, I met some secret service and FBI guys, and they were like, dude, if you really want to make money, you would ditch law and you would be in cyber. And I was like, ah, I don’t know about that guys. I remember I got my first home run hit of a case. It was a capital punishment death penalty case, and all of it was hinging upon the digital forensics of a cell phone. And I remember like looking back at my first deployments, we would do raids and we would capture, you know, hard drives, cell phones, dump the data, give it to the commander. We’ll make a split decision who’s on the next HVT list, right? Same stuff. There’s no different than the legal side. It’s like, okay, so now we have the data.
What does it look like? So I was like, you know what, I’m going to abandon the law. I’m going to completely do that and [00:11:00] go this way. I went from making a hundred something thousand dollars a year to 35, 000 a year getting my first IT and security job and people treated me like crap. People were like, you’re just a knuckle dragger.
You’re just a big idiot. Like cool, cool, cool. Fast forward. Now you know, being an executive of big organizations, have my own IR firm and stuff like that. And it’s just very fascinating because veterans do extremely well in incident response and forensics. They, they do. I, I pretty much 90 percent of my staff is veterans
and kind of what I stick with because we’re okay in the moments of chaos. And we’re okay. And we’re like, Oh, okay. We we’ve negotiated with terrorists. That’s what we do as well. We do ransom negotiations. And it’s quite funny because we’ll be sitting down and we’re like, all right. So we’re talking to, you know, fancy bear this group or being Liam. They’re like, we want our money.
I’m like, man, these guys are no different than ISIS, you know? So
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, I mean, you’re essentially terrorizing people and you know, holding [00:12:00] their computers hostage or the data or, you know, blackmailing people or whatever the case may be. There’s all sorts of nasty people out there doing nasty things. And And it, it’s good to hear that there’s a good fit there with veterans in the, in, in that type of environment.
And it does make sense because those split second decisions, those high intensity situations. From my conversation with other veterans, a lot of times that’s what they’re missing. They want that, they crave that intensity. They want that, that type of environment. Maybe not with bullets flying over your head anymore.
I mean, it’s, it, that’s a nice perk of the job, I suppose. Right. But,
Ricoh Danielson: great. It’s nice to hear conditioning now.
Scott DeLuzio: yeah, right, exactly. It, but it’s still. You know, at the same time, you’re, you’re still operating in a way, in a similar similar level, right?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah, you know, you’re meeting the threat [00:13:00] head on, right? You know where they’re shooting from, you know how they’re going to get at you, and you know for a fact that your purpose now is to go mitigate that threat.
But instead of using bullets, you’re using words, right? You’re using data. And I think that serves the military population very well now.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Yeah. And that data is all around us. And I, I, it’s scary just how much data is out there, even just amongst, you know, regular people and who has access to that data. And you probably have a better insight into all of this than I do, but just one company. Maybe. Has a data breach and so much information gets out there.
And then that, that information is just one more piece of the puzzle to those people who have bad intentions to go out and do something with that data. And they may not have all the pieces of the puzzle, but. If you’re [00:14:00] like a sniper and you’re just patient and you wait, you’ll, you’ll get it, you know, eventually, or, or you can there’s other ways that people do fishing for, for information and they, they get that, that last piece of the puzzle and, and they’re golden, they get the, they get that key to the door and they’re in, right?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah.
Scott DeLuzio: it’s But it takes a certain kind of person, a certain kind of mentality to counter that, right? It’s not, it’s not your everyday person who’s constantly thinking of these, the way people that are going to use this data in a negative way. You know, you go and you Put your credit card in or you, you put all your, your personal data in to go make a purchase on a website somewhere.
And you don’t know where that information is going, but I want that, whatever it is that I’m buying, I want that thing. And so I’m going to go buy it. And, but now also you’re trading your, your data for that stuff in addition to money, right?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. You [00:15:00] know, data is everywhere. And every time I see a hospital breach, if you just go to like two different news, like Krebs on security motherboard or vice or something like that, you will see data breaches happen all the time. And I think we’ve arrived to the conclusion in the in the United States, more specific in the world now that our data has been sold and is for sale.
And there’s nothing we can do about it other than be more proactive for herself.
So that’s that’s the that’s the crummy part.
Scott DeLuzio: It is. But to that point, there are people out there yourself and, you know, your, your team included who are out trying to combat that threat that, that people are, are facing and. I think that there does need to be more of that, especially as cyber attacks start growing and, and they’re going to be more and more of them as more and more data becomes available, more and more targets become available, you know, back, back in the 90s, they probably weren’t all that common because it just wasn’t all that.
Many targets to hit, you know, [00:16:00] you probably have a better chance getting away with a bank robbery than Something like
Ricoh Danielson: You probably do. Yeah, exactly.
Scott DeLuzio: know back then anyways, but but nowadays there’s there’s targets all over the place And so it’s it’s kind of like why would I go into a bank and risk getting shot if I can just you know Sit back and you know scam grandma out of you know, whatever right so
Ricoh Danielson: One thing.
Scott DeLuzio: yeah, go ahead.
Ricoh Danielson: One thing I found very fascinating is I was talking to one of my soft friends. I was like, Hey, man. I’m just having trouble with this. And he’s like, Ricoh, there’s always going to be enemies. Just go find the enemy and figure out what they’re doing and address that. And I was
like, okay, like go find the bad guy.
I’m like, all right, there’s bad people everywhere. And whether it’s scamming the federal government, whether it’s scamming the housing industry, elderly care, ransomware, like if you go find bad people, you will find a job.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Well, that’s true. Yeah. I mean, that’s, I mean, talk to any police officer out there, if that’s their, literally their whole job is [00:17:00] going out and, and you know, protecting other people against bad people and you know, it’s protect and serve. Right. But you know, in this way you’re, you’re serving in a different capacity.
Right. And you know, I don’t know, maybe there, maybe there is, or maybe there needs to be you know, more done. On a you know, federal level or, you know, state level or, or whatever, where, where people are combating some of these threats, but, but some of these, these threats are coming from all over the world.
So it’s, you know, kind of hard when you’re talking about jurisdictions and, and things like that. So I think, you know, in comes a, you know, private company that doesn’t really matter what they, the borders are, you know, you can cross those borders just as easily as the bad guys can. So, you know, that’s, That’s where I think that, that type of thing comes in where whereas you know, a federal government maybe wouldn’t be able to do that or a state government maybe wouldn’t be able to do something like that.
Right.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. The federal government and the state government love them to death. We work hand in hand with those [00:18:00] guys, especially the federal agencies. Great dudes, great women. Unfortunately, they’re outnumbered.
So, we are the hired gun. We are the mercy cyber mercenary, if you will. And we’ll be more than happy to facilitate.
Of course, we’re going to do anything bad, you know, just
put that disclaimer, but it’s too big, it’s too big. And this is why it’s privatized. And there is an, there is a branch of the Oregon federal government that does, I think it’s called SISA. And I’ve had conversations with him, like, how can we help you?
And it’s like. They’re understaffed, they’re under budgeted, and they, they just can’t keep up with the demand. So we, we have to do this, you know,
there’s no choice.
Scott DeLuzio: So how is it that you, you work you know, obviously working in, in this space, you, you have people that you work with, how, how are you becoming aware of these threats and what is it that you do to combat some of these threats without, you know, obviously giving too many details to give the bad guys, you know, a heads up on what not to do, but you know, what, what does the process look like for you?
[00:19:00] Yeah.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah, usually so a few different areas. One, we get notified by clients who are like, Hey, I just got breached. Can you help us out? So we jump in there, right? Number two, we have dark web tools and deep web tools. And then we also have internal communications and pseudo personalities on the dark web that we’ve been at it for, you know, 15, 20 years. You can’t just, just show up, right? We, we, we’ve assumed these personalities and we’re, we’re in the weeds with them. We know who’s who, we know who the threat actor is, we know who the, the bad guy is and we know how to find them.
Scott DeLuzio: Mm hmm.
Ricoh Danielson: Usually our process is we get engaged, we go out there fist a fight and then we start looking at different things and then mitigating the threats one by one.
Scott DeLuzio: is it, is it mostly reactive type work that you do as far as like a client comes to you with, with you know, an issue that they’re having, or are you doing more proactive type stuff where you’re, you’re actively seeking out those, those threats so that they don’t become a threat down the road?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. So we have reactive services. We guys, we have guys and girls on the on the reactive side. Like, [00:20:00] Hey, we got breached. Here’s that help us out on the proactive side. Absolutely. We have a slew of different type of professionals, executives and whatnot. And we’re like, okay, here are the things that we need to do, like a tabletop exercise, intimate response plan, you know, a business email, compromise, compromise assessment, like all these things will help us bolster up that we’re ready.
Right?
Um, so we marry those two depending on what the client needs bigger clients. have different needs, right? Federal governments have different needs. And then the ones that are in immediate pain have different needs. So,
Scott DeLuzio: Interesting. Yeah. Now for the audience that we have for this show, largely veteran based, and a lot of times. Guys and gals getting out of the military, they’re not sure what their next act is going to be, you know, whether they were in for, you know, five or six years, or they, they did their 20 and are getting out or more.
And they’re, they’re looking for that next, that next act. From your perspective, what’s, what’s [00:21:00] the best route to go from military service into some sort of cyber security type career field?
Ricoh Danielson: so that’s a good question. One of the, one of the two things that before I answer that question, I always tell people this is that you don’t have to be technical to be in this industry. You don’t one, I, this is going to sound very weird, but if you’re nice, if you’re nice and it and cybersecurity, you have no clue how far that’s going to get you. Then on top of that, if you could talk to the executive all the way down to the, to the person that you’re turning the wrench and being nice about that. Oh, buddy, you’re gonna win, right?
If you really want to get into it, you’re gonna have to understand security, right? Network security and just overall general cybersecurity.
There, there are a few courses out there and then you go from different branches. Like let’s say you want to be in the SOC or the SCIF, or if you want to be forensics, incident response, if you want to do risk and governance, if you want to do executive management, different fields require different things, but all of them have the basis of understanding security plus, right. Networking plus and [00:22:00] overall general cybersecurity. If you can get those done within, it will take you about three months to do. You can pretty much get a job any given time. It might not be the salary that you want. That’s another thing I got to tell people is, um, a lot of veterans are like, I’m going to go over there and make 200, 000 a year. Easy killer. Easy. Let me tell you the reality. You’re probably going to be anywhere from 65 to 85 for your first job. You’re going to have to eat a little bit of crud for a little bit. And then from there, you’re going to move on up and up in about three to five years, you should be around 180 to maybe 250.
Okay. But you’re going to have to prove yourself.
And, A lot of young men, a lot of young ladies, and a lot of young veterans are like, Well, I deserve it. I’m like, you don’t deserve anything. You, the, the, the private sector does not give a shit about you. There, you know what you get? You get a nice cool little coin says thank you for your service and maybe a free pizza slice, that’s it.
So, Pat yourself on the back, get the fuck to work.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Yeah. And, and you get the, you get the free Applebee’s on Veterans Day too. So,
Ricoh Danielson: I’ve never imagined that, but I guess I’m going to have to. [00:23:00] Yeah.
Scott DeLuzio: There’s, there’s people who, I, I’ve seen on social media, you know, they’re joking around, but it’s like they’re, you know, what are they gonna do on Veterans Day? Well, Applebee’s at this time, they’re going to, you know, Denny’s at that time or wherever, all the, these different places, they’re that, that are giving out these freebies or discounts or whatever.
They’re, they’re going to collect them all. And it’s like, they’re not Pokemon cards, man. Come on, . But no, it’s, it, it, it’s a good point that you brought up as far as the the initial. reality of, of that salary base. It’s, it’s, you’re not going to be starting off at 200, 000 a year. It’s just not, that’s not reality for for this type of work, but you can get there.
With hard work and I, and I think that’s important for like an important like wake up call because I think that’s true in Pretty much any industry as you’re coming out is you’re probably not going to be working at that high level that you might be expecting and [00:24:00] If you’re coming out with that expectation You’re you’re gonna be first off.
I think you’re gonna be a disappointed but
but be kind of discouraged
Ricoh Danielson: very.
Scott DeLuzio: It’s like I can’t find a job anywhere. Well, you could It’s just, you have to have realistic expectations and that’s what people need to start understanding as they’re getting into this. And, and a lot of times veterans don’t last long in their first job after getting out of the military a year or two, I think within two years, 80 percent of veterans are already onto their second or more jobs, so it’s.
It’s a I guess a common thing that people are moving on, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re just moving on to another equal or, you know, even taking a step back to something lower. You, you could be moving on to something bigger and better. And that’s, I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that.
So long as it’s advanced, first off, advancing your career, it’s, it’s you know, [00:25:00] helping you get. To where you want to be and you’re not burning any bridges and being an ass about it either, you know Like, you know, I’m just using you for you know this a little bit of experience that I’m gone and you know being being awful about it like that, but you know people it happens people move from from time to time, but you know, like I said, pay attention to the trajectory of your career.
Don’t be like that, that person with the the three DUIs who who can’t think past, I’m going to the bar tonight and not, how am I getting home from the bar? You know, think. Think down the road, where do you want to be? And you know, plan backwards and see what other people have done who are in that career.
What if, what have they done? What education did they have to get? What jobs did they have before that? What allowed them to get to where they are and maybe follow that similar path? It’s like. The path’s already been drawn out for you. Right. And that, I think that’s just generally good advice. I don’t care if you want to [00:26:00] be in cybersecurity or you want to be a pilot, or if you want to be, you know, an accountant or whatever it is, follow along the path of whatever the, the person who is in that career right now, what, what do they do and how do you replicate that, I guess, is what you, you probably should look for.
Right.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah, you should definitely do that. The other thing I always tell people is get your job right, get your chops in, get the experience you need, keep drilling your skill set, always have a second job or a secondary income. Whether it’s a side hustle, you’d be surprised nowadays, a lot of young men don’t know how to operate a backhoe or let alone turn a wrench. Um, and you’d be surprised, like a lot of men, men are like, Hey honey, I’m just going to call this guy to put the drywall up. Like. Pick up a screwdriver, pick up this and learn. And I guarantee you, someone’s going to pay you for a weekend’s worth of work. You make a couple of thousand bucks and get on with your job.
Um, there’s a big opportunity here where men are not showing up to work. I’m calling out men, right? Like they’re not showing up to the workforce. So that [00:27:00] means men like me, old men, put our belt on, put our utility belt on. We’ll go to work. No problem. You know,
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, and, and to your point, even if you don’t know how to do all these things like, you know, putting up drywall. Freaking YouTube is
Ricoh Danielson: all the YouTube,
Scott DeLuzio: have all the,
they have all the tutorials you could possibly need to figure out this stuff. You can do it. And then once when you’ve done it once.
Ricoh Danielson: then you got
Scott DeLuzio: You got it, like, and that’s a skill that you have, like you said, and you can take that skill and someone is probably going to be willing to pay you for it. So even if you’re, you know, struggling to find work for whatever reason go teach yourself something. There’s nothing, no one is ever going to stop you from learning something
Ricoh Danielson: it.
Scott DeLuzio: teaching yourself something, right?
Ricoh Danielson: What I always tell people is like, especially the young dudes, I’m like, what else are you going to do? You’re going to go to R& R and Old Town Scottsdale, do some day drinking? Like, come on,
like,
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, right,
Ricoh Danielson: just hammer for the, from 6 a. m. to [00:28:00] 12 noon. And then if you made some money, if you did some hard work, then take your ass to the bar.
That’s fine. But dude, get to work.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, do something you know, worthwhile. And not only You know, going to work and, and doing those, those types of jobs for somebody else, if you have those home improvement things at your house that need to be done, you don’t have to call somebody and pay them, you know, however, however many hundreds of dollars to come and make those repairs and do those types of things at your house.
You can just do it. For, you know, at cost of, you know, if you need materials, yeah, obviously there’s going to be a cost there, but you know, that’s, that’s insignificant in comparison to, you know, the labor costs and all that kind of stuff. So, you know, a few weekends ago, my, my wife, we had a cabinet that we, that was kind of falling apart.
My wife didn’t really like it, so we, we ripped it out and she wanted to put shelves in like for books and things like that. And so I was like, okay, well, let’s, let’s just do it. And I, you know, go to the store, got, got some boards. So I. I [00:29:00] got the saw, cut them up and hung them up. I was there with my son, hanging them up, teaching him
Ricoh Danielson: that right there is a bonding experience. Yeah.
Scott DeLuzio: is. Yeah, exactly. And you know, I was, I was showing them, you know, you gotta, you know, drill the holes here for the screws to go in. And you know, I was just showing them how to, how to do it and we were doing it together and you know, we painted everything, made it all look nice. And now she got some brand new shelves and I didn’t have to call anyone to do it.
I didn’t have to do anything crazy. And my wife, I don’t know, I’m saying this. Tongue in cheek, but I don’t know how much she trusted my my handiwork because at first it was like a book on the shelf And I was like it is this like the test if it holds this one book Then maybe we’ll put the second on and it’s good.
It’s holding up. She has a bunch of stuff up there now So I I was I was just joking with her when she put one book on there I was like what I went through all this work for a book.
Ricoh Danielson: One book.
That’s a trust.
Scott DeLuzio: But no, it’s, it’s that type of [00:30:00] thing that, so even, so with, in that example, I. Had that bonding experience with my son.
He got to learn how to do something and, and see that it’s possible. You don’t have to go call somebody to do this for you. It’s a thing that you can do. And he’s, he’s 11 years old. So that’s something that he’s going to carry with him going forward. You know, there’s not going to be too many opportunities that we’re going to make new shells in our house again.
So we may not do that very often, but he knows that it’s possible. And so when, when he gets older and he has a house and he wants to do something like that, he knows, Hey, I can do that. I don’t need to call somebody and do that.
Ricoh Danielson: More important thing we saw is dad work and a lot of young men are not seeing their dad work
Scott DeLuzio: yeah, that’s true. Yeah. And, and then that. You kind of emulate that and you, you kind of see, you learn from, from your parents primarily, or whoever’s taking care of you, you know, if your, your parents aren’t around, but you, you primarily learn from [00:31:00] them and if the values and the work ethic and things like that, that you’re, you’re getting from your, your, your parents, it’s just, oh yeah, just, just call the plumber or just call the
electrician or just call the whoever to come do this for you.
Well, that’s probably what you’re going to end up getting. And so then we have a whole generation of people who lose those skills. And I think that’s, that’s already happened. I mean,
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah.
Scott DeLuzio: I mean,
Ricoh Danielson: I think the next millionaires are going to be the blue collar guys.
Scott DeLuzio: I, I truly do believe it. I think.
Ricoh Danielson: That’s working on a house construction or in cyber, right? Cause
blue collar is a cyber job.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, it is.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. Like it’s just different, right? But dude, I’m telling you right now, if you can pick up a wrench, we can pick up a drill and you can do cyber. You’ll be all right.
Scott DeLuzio: You do. All right. Yeah. And, and you’re right, because the, the tools that you use are, they’re different from a hammer and a wrench and a screwdriver and those types of things, but they, they’re, they’re functional tools in the same way that those are [00:32:00] functional tools. You use, use certain tools for very specific jobs.
I’m not going to use a hammer to cut a piece of wood, you know, that. That’s just stupid. I wouldn’t do that. But you know, in your case, you have a bunch of tools at your disposal that you use not just liberally, like for any purpose, you use them for very task specific purposes. And, and I think You’re right.
It is, it is a blue collar job. It’s probably not, I don’t think it’s thought of so much as a blue collar job because you put, you’re working maybe in a, in an office or on a computer and stuff, and so it’s not seen that way, but
Ricoh Danielson: Very much.
Scott DeLuzio: I think it’s different, right,
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah, it just, you know, whenever I hire people, it says cloud engineer, cloud security engineer. And it’s like,
the key word is engineer guys. Like I’m gonna need you to turn this wrench. It might, it might be a metaphorical ranch or like a digital wrench, but the wrench needs to be turned in the right direction here.
Scott DeLuzio: right. And, and to that point, you know, any engineers that I’ve. Ever [00:33:00] known they can look at, you know, if it’s a mechanical engineer, they can look at a piece of machinery and they know how all the inner workings work and things that are way beyond me. I have no idea how those things, those inner workings work in that machine and they can take it apart and put it back together and they can make it better and faster and whatever it is they need to do to that point.
Those, those guys and gals who you’re hiring. They’re engineers on that cyber side that, where they know those inner workings of network security and all these other things that they are paying attention to, and they know how all of that stuff interacts with each other and can kind of follow that audit trail, if you will, of where it is.
You know, where things go in and where things come out and figure out where things went wrong and you, you need that type of mentality. And so, it’s, it’s very similar to a mechanical engineer, even though the two of them probably would disagree, you know, if you asked a mechanical engineer, do you have anything in [00:34:00] common with you know, you know, a security engineer, like,
Ricoh Danielson: They’re like absolutely not.
Scott DeLuzio: absolutely not nothing.
They’re two separate worlds and absolutely
Ricoh Danielson: We’re trying to solve the same problem.
Scott DeLuzio: Exactly. Exactly. You, you, you’re very, very similar, but it’s, it’s, I don’t know if it’s you know, they’re, they’re in the same family, but they just don’t like each other. Maybe.
Ricoh Danielson: Pretty much. Yeah
Scott DeLuzio: but yeah, I mean, these, these types of things happen all the time as far as like data breaches go, you know, through healthcare finance you know, organizations it can be There was breaches at Target years ago, you know, where people’s credit card numbers were, were being exposed. And you know, are there any precautionary measures that people can take that, that might be able to help mitigate some of this that, that you might recommend?
Ricoh Danielson: I was just on the Chris Cuomo show about this. And some of the things I always tell people is No matter if you’re older or younger, one, kind of do a recon of yourself. Like go out there and say, okay, punching Ricoh Danielson and it’ll spit you out [00:35:00] areas. Right? So now number one, you know, where your data’s at.
Number two, start taking a proactive measure. Like. Pull you down your data. You don’t want this. You don’t want that. Right. You can, you can do it for free. There are companies out higher. You can do it, but you can go in and be like, Hey, I don’t want to do this. Right. The number two is, or number three would be like, you have to be very active about this, like every month on the month, go out there and, and start tuning this.
Remember the internet as smart as it is, is very dumb, right? Because it’s only going to spit out the information you give it. So then you can start manipulating the data. So I don’t want this here. I want this over here. I want this, I want that. So there’s ways to do it.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And I always wonder about those companies that will go out and do that kind of stuff for you, because I feel like. If I’m engaging with them, I’m giving them my information to tell them, Hey, go, go kind of manage this for me. But that’s just one more company now that has my information. And now that’s one more chance for somebody else to come in, you know, [00:36:00] grab that information.
And so I, I always worried about that. Like I, I,
Ricoh Danielson: There was a guy
Scott DeLuzio: want to,
Ricoh Danielson: who wrote a book called Extreme Privacy. Great book. He was a former FBI guy, Michael something. And he also, he’s one of the guys who created OSINT. O S I N T. Great recon tool. If you ever want to follow the face of the earth or manage the visibility of your data, I would read that book.
Scott DeLuzio: okay. I, I always. I have, I think a lot of people these days start having these visions of living off the grid, you know, I’m just gonna, I’m gonna be, I’m gonna just disappear out into the woods and no one’s gonna know where I am, I’m gonna have my plot of land and everyone’s just gonna leave me alone, but Like, in reality, though, I don’t know that you actually can just completely fall off the grid.
I mean, even, even just think about like your bank account. Like you’d have to take all your money out of the bank account and then so much of money these days is not cash transactions or they’re, I mean [00:37:00] money isn’t real anymore. Let’s face it. It’s, it’s all just digital ones and zeros going back and forth.
Right? And so how do you operate in a society that doesn’t actually use cash hardly anymore? And that, that type of thing to me is just like, I don’t know, I don’t know if it’s even really possible, realistically possible. You can, you can kind of get off the grid, you can, but with a toe still in it, I suppose.
Right?
Ricoh Danielson: so you would have to obfuscate your identity, right? You would
have to be like, okay, the trust owns this, this trust
owns that, like obfuscating. But I’ve seen people do it. I know of two guys who live in the middle of the woods. And, you know, they’re the tin cap, you know, tin cap foil type guy, but they have done it.
It took them about two years to fall off the face of the earth, but they did it.
Scott DeLuzio: That’s, well, they’re not anymore because we just talked about it and it’s on a podcast. So you guys got more work to do. You got to come, come
Ricoh Danielson: Way more work to do, Matt. Yeah, Matt,
you know [00:38:00] where you are.
Scott DeLuzio: I’m not, I’m not, I’m not calling anyone out specifically, but it’s, it’s, to me, it’s an interesting concept, but I, it’s one that I think kind of resonates with some of the, the listeners here on this show.
A lot of times I find that the veterans are, are that of that type of mindset where they, where they kind of just want to be just leave me alone. Don’t, don’t, don’t screw with me. Just leave me alone. I’m going to do my thing. You do your thing. I’m not gonna bother you. You don’t bother me. We’ll be good to go
Ricoh Danielson: See, there’s a problem with that, that philosophy right there. Cause I was just like that. What’s going to happen is you’re going to see a problem that doesn’t settle well with you. And then all of a sudden you’re going to be like.
I’m going to go and get this and
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, yeah, that’s true Yeah, I don’t yeah, I don’t know if we can If we can ever truly be off the grid away from everybody away from society. I mean, we’re we’re social [00:39:00] creatures We need to be around people. So so people are gonna eventually figure out, you know, some of our stuff So it’s it’s like at that point You know, just be a part of society and, you know, I don’t know.
I don’t know what the right answer is, but it’s, it’s kind of interesting. And, and, you know, I’m sure some of the listeners are probably scratching their head right now thinking, geez, maybe I can make this work. But who knows, maybe we’re planting some seeds and some folks. But you know, from, from your experience.
In, in this industry, what are some, some, maybe the pitfalls that, that someone should kind of pay attention to if they are trying to follow this kind of career path? Yeah, I know we talked a little bit about that initial entry into the, the career with you know, the financial side of things.
Any, any other pitfalls that, that you might have noticed along the way?
Ricoh Danielson: yep, so there’s, I’ll give you my pitfalls is what happened to me. So I came out of the military on a shit hot, you know, cool, no problem. And I was like, I’m in charge. I’m not in charge. Right. The other one was I didn’t learn how to play the game and the game [00:40:00] is being of service and helping each other out. Whatever chip on your shoulder, you have, whether it’s being a veteran, whether it’s being black, white, Hispanic, dude, you got to get rid of that shit. I’m telling you, because if you permeate that through a corporate organization, you’re going to get fired. And I hate being that way
is, There’s also other things like, you know, certain things that if you’re like I go by this or I go by that you’re, you’re not going to get hired.
I’m telling you right now, if you have certain things on your resume, right behind your name, you’re not going to get hired just kind of the way it is. We don’t have time for that. And then the other part is. You have to be very mindful of like how you’re being perceived in the military, you know, your rank, right?
I talked to you this, I was like that, but the way you talk to this person over here, they, they’re whenever the military, so they’re going to go around full circle and do this. So just be mindful what comes out of your mouth, right? And then you know, find yourself a good group of guys and girls, you know, and just, you know, kind of huddle up with that as well. But some of the other things you have to be very mindful of every year, hone your skill set. Cause every year you’re going to [00:41:00] have to prove your job because there’s a scene called layoffs and you’re going to get fired. just the way it is, unless you’re the CEO, you have a massive amount of equity, which is the game that I play in now, Like you’re, you’re gonna, you’re, you’re a line item and you will be fired.
I’ve been fired. It’s just the way it is. Right? So that’s why I always tell you you had that secondary job.
Scott DeLuzio: and that’s a good thing to have to fall back on, you know, when times get tough. And, you know, this could be a whole separate episode of, you know, have X amount of months of savings, and so that way, if you do get laid off, you have that cushion that you can fall back on if need be, but hopefully you don’t need it.
But you want to keep it around just in case. And, and make sure that things go south. You’re, you’re good to go for a little
Ricoh Danielson: You’re always.
Scott DeLuzio: exactly. But it’s. I, I don’t know. I, I think it’s a you know, definitely an interesting career and the way you were describing it, definitely one that I think veterans should check out if, if [00:42:00] they’re, if they are in between jobs or they’re thinking about switching careers, getting out of the military, going into you know, something.
I mean, this is something that you can, you said, like, about, what, three months ish or so of training that you can do
Ricoh Danielson: You should be able to get a job within three months. If you’re really, really adamant about it, get the training you need. Boom. More specifically, if you look at the cloud, there is such a high demand for cloud, even people for, they don’t even know what the hell they’re doing in the cloud. They just know they need the cloud person go be that cloud person and you can do it.
You can make, and you can make pretty decent money. And also the remote thing, right? This is another thing. This is a fallacy. you have a cloud first company or like, you know, you just employ cloud and they can trust you. Remember working remote is actually a privilege, so they will quickly gank that very quickly.
So you better produce, you better be a value to hold that.
But I believe, I believe in remote work a hundred percent. I think that’s the future right there.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, I think it is too, especially for tech related [00:43:00] jobs like this, where you can do these things remotely. physically being present in an office doesn’t add a ton of value in, in certain circumstances. Now maybe if you’re dealing more with the hardware side of things. Yeah. Okay. You’re going to probably have to be around when there’s hardware related issues that you might need to, to deal with.
Totally understand that. That I can’t imagine being anything other than in person, unless we have some AI robot kind of thing that can go and do all that heavy lifting for you. But outside of that you know, I, I, and who knows, maybe that’s sooner down the road than, than I’m thinking. But you know, outside of that, you know, you’re right.
I think remote work is definitely, definitely the future of, of work, but,
Ricoh Danielson: there,
to be said, right? When people would say remote work, there’s a key word that is called work.
Right. And, and I hear these, like, I love one of my relatives. He was like, I’m going to be on the beach working. I’m like, dude, [00:44:00] have you ever done forensics on a beach? It just doesn’t work.
Like you, you can’t run your scripts. Like you have to be very mindful of the sun’s beating down. It just doesn’t work. You, so just stop, stop. Right. And
Scott DeLuzio: and quite frankly, you’re not going to do work if you’re on the beach, you’re on the, if you’re on the beach, you’re on the beach for the beach purposes. If you’re doing work, you’re doing work for work purposes. And I think there needs to be that, that dividing line, like in my, I work from home. And, and so I do probably the vast majority of my work is, is remote type work, but and I’m very fortunate to be able to have a job like that.
I definitely. You know, agree with you on that. It’s, it is a privilege to be able to do that. The company I work for just doesn’t happen to have an office. Everybody works from home. So that, that, that just works out that way. So, but regardless, you know, I set up. My, my work situation in a place that’s away from the rest of the house, where, where all the living happens, the kitchen and the, [00:45:00] you know, the, the living room and all the bedrooms and all that I’m separate, I’m away from all of that.
And so, and I know I’m very fortunate to be able to have a house with that kind of layout where I can, I can set that up that way, but I mentally go into a different place when I’m, when I’m going into work, I’m at work. I’m not. I’m not worried about picking up the kids from, you know, from whatever it is that they have going on activities and things like that.
I’m not, I’m not worried about going you know, and going grocery shopping or, you know, doing any of the other household things. Cause I’m at work when I’m at work, I’m at work. And my wife knows that it’s, it took some time to train us to be able to understand that. But I think that’s an important thing to have is that.
That that barrier and that mental switch that, that goes on and off. And, and when I’m back home, I’m home and, and I work is at work and I’m, I don’t keep coming back and forth. You know, [00:46:00] because I can see myself doing that, that type of thing where I’m working until midnight and, and just keep cranking away at, at stuff.
And that’s not good for anybody.
Ricoh Danielson: I’m guilty. I’m very guilty of that. Like, yeah,
but
Friday night’s a date night with my wife. So like, that’s like one day I’m like, don’t call me. Don’t. Oh,
Scott DeLuzio: And it’s important to have that kind of things scheduled in too. So that way you’re like, okay, I know now I need to shut down and I’m going to go do family, family work, you know, and take, take care of that type of stuff. Because if you don’t. You’re, you might get sucked in
Ricoh Danielson: I do.
Scott DeLuzio: or the other.
Ricoh Danielson: I do all the time. All the time. It’s great.
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. So, well, don’t, don’t fucking do that. All right. But so beyond those technical skills that you’re talking about, you know, those kind of three [00:47:00] months ish of kind of technical training, obviously there’s going to be some on the job. You’re going to learn things as you go as well. Technology is changing all the time.
Ways that people screw around and. Do all these data breaches. Those things change all the time because of the bad guys get, get better and the good guys have to get gooder for lack of better words,
Ricoh Danielson: get good.
Scott DeLuzio: be gooder. But there’s, there’s those soft skills too, that you were talking about that you have to be you know, just be a, be a good person, show up to work, do, do your, do your job.
Those types of things I think are there’s, yeah. It’s starting to get lost in this world, right?
Ricoh Danielson: So here’s what I always tell people. And I always told my soldiers this right place, right time, right uniform. Right. I, and I’m not trying to bag on the current workforce, right. Or the current generation, but. They don’t want to work. So that means we, as veterans, we just show up inherently to work right now.
The optimization of the output might not be the highest, but somebody showed up. Somebody showed up dress. Somebody showed up, [00:48:00] showered like these are the conversations that I’m having at with the younger generation. Like, dude, I need you to shower. I need you to be presentable. I need you to have a good meeting minutes.
And these are the things that I would coach my son. I’m like, dude, you’re not my child. You’re a 27 year old man. You should know these things.
And this is where I think the veteran community has a way upside
because when I was working for a huge world bank, one time, um, Oh, 500 men mean this guy. Never forget him.
He’s, he’s in Phoenix. His name is chief warrant officer, Jordan Lambrow. And he was my mentor to help me run marathons. And we’re there at zero three or three 45 running eight miles in the morning. Shit, shower and shave by oh 500. Also, my morning meetings by six, and it was, and everyone was like, how do you guys do?
It was like, how do you not? Right? Like,
Scott DeLuzio: Right.
Ricoh Danielson: I don’t understand
Scott DeLuzio: I think that that’s just goes back to the discipline that gets instilled in you. I mean, day one of basic training gets, that’s where it starts. Right. And, and you get that drilled into [00:49:00] you. And then throughout your, your military career, it continues to be reinforced and drilled into even more.
And you understand the value of, you know, setting a schedule and keeping to it. And You are able to see the benefits of that if you’re, if you’re getting up early to exercise, you’re starting to see the health benefits as time goes on and you’re, you’re getting into work on time, ready to go. You’re, you’re already, you’ve already been up for a few hours.
So you’re, you’re not like, Slug, slugging in with your, your cup of coffee or Starbucks or whatever. And, and just starting to get the engine turned on, like you’re, you’ve been on for quite some time, so you’re ready to go, you’re hitting the ground running. And you’re getting up that early in the morning, it doesn’t.
Provide a lot of time for going out to the bars and partying and drinking and doing all those other things. So you avoid all of that. And it’s a pretty easy solution. Just don’t do that stuff. And then you can do the good [00:50:00] stuff. And I don’t know. I think, I think that’s just a, I don’t care what career you’re going into.
That’s just generally good advice. You know, keep that discipline. Right.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah, exactly. And all, and all the veterans, like there’s one guy named Rusty Warfield that I remember working with, and he would never come. I would go work out with him in the afternoon, but he would, he would be like sitting there, he’d like. Eating his breakfast. It’s like, you guys done running or what?
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
Ricoh Danielson: Cause the fact that he wasn’t even working out in the morning, but he would be there at Oh 500 and be like, Hey boys, how’s it going? You
know, and then work out with him. So
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. So, you know, those, those types of people. I think in a civilian workplace really stand out, especially if there’s not a lot of other veterans, you know, the people who are. They’re always showing up on time, you know, they, they’re, they’re showing up well, well dressed groomed, they’re, they’re, they’re not looking like they just rolled out of a gutter, you know, like they’re, they’re looking, they’re looking [00:51:00] presentable and, and are ready to go hitting the ground running.
I think those are the people that are just gonna really stand out,
uh, in, in a workforce. So, so this is, I think this goes beyond cyber and any. Any other types of career fields that you might be, might be talking about, but it just goes to show that there are so many different career fields that a military background are going will be applicable to, and we’ll make you stand out.
And you said earlier that, you know, nobody cares if you’re in the military and that’s absolutely right. Nobody cares. About that. I mean, yeah, sure. They’re going to have their, their, oh, we support veterans and they’re going to go, you know, put their banners up and all that kind of bullshit.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. One day, buddy. Yeah. One day,
Scott DeLuzio: you get one day,
Ricoh Danielson: one day
Scott DeLuzio: And that’s a pat on the shoulder and, you know, get back to work because we still got shit
Ricoh Danielson: besides pizza, man. That’s
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, exactly. But, but so they, they care to that extent, but at the end of the day, what they really care [00:52:00] about is what are you going to do for the Us for this company when it this is not a free ride you’re getting and it does I don’t care what company you’re working for.
You’re not just gonna go in and Have them cut you a paycheck for being you, you know, like it’s just not gonna happen. So you that work piece is it’s certainly important and and if you come in and you’re you’re the one who’s standing out as The person who looks like they actually give a shit You’re going to advance a hell of a lot quicker.
Ricoh Danielson: And it’s not too hard to stand out to, of a person who gives a shit when nobody else gives a shit
and, and they’re not working out of a 10th of what you’re just doing. You’re just like, dude, amazing. Like
it’s pretty, pretty doggone easy guys.
Scott DeLuzio: And honestly, the stuff that we just described, if that’s your minimum standard is showing up on time. You know, maybe, maybe getting an exercise in beforehand, doing a little PT you [00:53:00] know, coming in with a good attitude you know, and, and, and being presentable, you know, when, when you’re doing your work that way.
I think is going to put you ahead of probably 90 percent of the other, the other workforce and you know, that other 10 percent you’re going to, you’re going to put the work in and you’re going to do the work and show that you can outwork those people too, and you’re, you’re going to rise to the top just by doing those.
Ricoh Danielson: Exactly.
Scott DeLuzio: Honestly, it seems like it’s just simple things that you would do in the military anyways, right?
You wouldn’t imagine showing up to, you know, first formation unshaved with the wrong, wrong uniform on
Ricoh Danielson: You’re going to pay for it. You’ll pay for that. Oh,
Scott DeLuzio: just saw like the, the, the flash in your eyes. You’re like, Oh no, the 20 minutes late.
Are you crazy? I couldn’t even be 20 seconds late.
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. Three minutes late. You’re done. You’re
Scott DeLuzio: If, if you’re, [00:54:00] if you’re, if you’re, if you’re 10 minutes early, you’re five minutes late.
Ricoh Danielson: You’re late. Exactly. Accountability formation. Exactly. I don’t care how cold it is outside.
Scott DeLuzio: Right. Exactly. You get there, get your ass there. And, and. And look right when you get there too. So, yeah, I mean, this is, this has been great. Anything else that you want to share with the listeners about, you know, anything related to your industry or any just general advice that you might have?
Ricoh Danielson: Yeah. So you know about the industry, right? Veterans to my fellow veterans, please. We are in a dire need of cybersecurity professionals. And I’m talking about across the board, technical, non technical. I need you to get your get off your ass and come work, please, because nobody’s doing this and nobody’s going to come do it for us.
So please come join the workforce from a personal perspective, just, just be mindful of yourself. Take care of yourself. Lay off the booze if you can just, you know, do good things and good things will happen.
Scott DeLuzio: I think that’s good. Good advice. Yeah, do, do good things and good things will happen. I [00:55:00] mean, and it, and it’s, I think that that mindset, it’s nothing against what you’re saying. I 100 percent agree with what you’re saying. But that mindset is kind of like, you know, planting a seed. You’re going to, that, that’s a good deed that you’re doing.
You’re, you’re, you’re planting that seed and you may not see the benefit of it. You know, if you’re, you’re planting tomatoes in a garden or something, you may not see those tomatoes right away. And you might be like, Oh man, don’t get discouraged. Keep doing those good things. Cause it, it’ll fertilize it.
That’ll water it. That’ll, that’ll help it grow. And you’ll, you’ll end up you know, You’ll end up reaping those rewards and soon enough. So, yeah, keep doing good things.
Ricoh Danielson: good things. will happen.
Scott DeLuzio: Well, Ricoh, and it’s been a pleasure speaking with you. It, it’s really been you know, a good time. And I do want to give you the opportunity before we, we wrap up here where can people go to find out more about you and the type of work that you do, if they’re, they’re looking for you know, some either in input into this career field [00:56:00] or they want, you know, they want to get into it or need, need help, unfortunately from someone like you.
Ricoh Danielson: Unfortunately, I’m not a hard person to find. So I’m out. Bye. You can find me on Instagram Ricoh underscore Danielson underscore. You can go to YouTube and you can message me there. Those are the fastest, easiest ways. I learned a lesson not to give out my email or my phone number. So we’re not doing that right now,
but there’s a ways just go search me and you’ll see my website, Ricoh D at U S dot U S.
Can’t miss that. And then it goes to me. So if you have any questions, comments, concerns, anything, just let me know, definitely get to it as much as I can.
Scott DeLuzio: Absolutely. Yeah. And we definitely don’t put email addresses in the show notes or anything like that. So don’t worry about that, but we’ll we’ll definitely put the website and those links that you mentioned, we’ll put those things in the show notes so folks can reach out and, and get in touch. So thank you so much for taking the time to join us on the show.
Ricoh Danielson: Thanks, man. I appreciate you.