Episode 558 Shannon Curtis Plant Medicine And Veteran Healing Transcript
This transcript is from episode 558 with guest Shannon Curtis.
[00:00:00] Scott DeLuzio: If you’ve ever found yourself staring at the ceiling at 2:00 AM wondering how you went from holding it all together to feeling like you’re falling apart, you might be in the right place with this episode. Maybe the pills from the doc that were supposed to be temporary turned into a quiet habit that you hid from your family.
The real pain that you’re feeling is not in your knees or in your back or some other physical ailment but maybe it’s in memories that you never talk about and maybe about shame that you keep locked up so that nobody else sees how bad it really feels. Now, what if there was something different? What if you were able to wake up clearheaded instead of foggy?
You know? Exactly. Why you hurt and you finally have the tools that are more powerful than another prescription or another drink, you can actually look your kids in the eye without feeling like a fraud. You can talk about what happened without feeling broken. [00:01:00] That’s what we’re gonna get into today with our guest, Shannon Curtis.
She’s a founder of Angel, goddess Healing over in Texas, and she spent years addicted to pain meds that started with the C-section. Uh, she carried the weight of, uh, miscarriages and childhood trauma and still found a way to, uh, eventually get past all of that, forgive, heal, and then turn around and help others do the.
Inner child work reframing addiction as a symptom instead of a life sentence, and even prepares folks for serious plant medicine work in Mexico that is changing lives for P-T-S-D-T-B-I and suicide level depression. Before we get into this episode though, I wanna take a moment to raise awareness for something that’s deeply important to our community.
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If you’d like to learn more or find out how you can support their mission, visit GWOT Memorial Foundation do org. All right, now let’s get into today’s episode.
[00:02:34] Scott DeLuzio: Hey Shannon, welcome to the show. Really glad to have you here. Looking forward to this conversation.
[00:02:40] Shannon Curtis: Thank you so much for having me here.
[00:02:42] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, you bet.
Before we kind of dive into the, the meat of the episode here could you tell, just tell the audience a little bit about yourself, kind of who you are and, and things like that. A little bit about your background, just so everyone has an idea of who, who it’s we’re talking with today.
[00:02:55] Shannon Curtis: Yep. My name is Shannon Curtis and I’m currently located in Texas, and I’m the [00:03:00] founder of Angel Goddess Healing. It’s a sanctuary that I like to say. It’s a place for anyone who’s looking to heal. And starting to get into those, digging those dark spots that sometimes we have a hard time doing ourselves. And so I struggled with my own addiction for seven, eight years. Went through a divorce, miscarriages, sexual trauma, you name it. I’ve been through it. And so I found in my healing journey, I wanted to be able to give back and this was a place that I could start and be able to connect with other people that were probably going through the same
things I was going through.
[00:03:30] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, and I found that a lot of times that the people who have gone through hell and they’ve experienced traumas and they’ve gone through all these, these different things in their lives they, they know how much it sucks and they. Wanna do anything to try to help other people not have to experience that.
And it seems like that’s kind of the, the path that you’re, you’ve taken. When you are going through all of these things that you were, you were just talking about at what point did you kind of realize that you needed to [00:04:00] shift direction, make, make a change in your life, whether it was from addiction or other things that you were, you were doing.
And and what was kinda like the first step that you took towards towards healing?
[00:04:09] Shannon Curtis: I think my big moment was when my life kind of imploded. I was married for about seven years. I had a daughter that was seven, and within those first seven years I was addicted to pain medicine. It started the day my daughter was. Born from a C-section, you get morphine, instantly feel good, instantly started numbing the pain.
My husband at the time worked outta town that same week, and so here I was, a new mom found at home with a newborn and it gave me energy. And so that was kind of my start for seven years of always, and it was always through the doctors, it was through medical things, and I had a lot of medical. Reasons for it, but it started becoming a dependence.
And then all that became the shame. And this dirty little secret I was carrying around with this beautiful home, this housewife having all of this stuff, and here I am, have this secret. And so finally my life imploded and I couldn’t keep that [00:05:00] secret anymore. And it was with the offering. My mom called and she said, will you get help?
And I literally, before she even could put the words out, I was like, yes. I was just waiting for someone to see me. I wanted to get off pain medicine. There was one little phase that I went through for three months, and it was the worst thing with the worst withdrawals, and I would never wish that on my worst enemy.
And so once I found myself back on it. I was like, I can’t get off. I can’t go through this again. And so I just lived with that shame. And so once I got that, that’s where my healing, I, I went to an amazing place called The Meadows in Arizona, and they really deal with inner, inner child work and really getting to the core of why, what was I trying to numb?
And so that’s really what helped me was my starting was starting. Sober, what did life look like? What did Shannon look like? Once I started to clear out all the clutter and really get down to the trauma, and so that’s where I would say about eight years ago my journey began [00:06:00] of yeah, wanting to, to know there was a little bit more out there
than just what I was going through.
[00:06:05] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, and it’s interesting because I’ve talked to many people who have struggled with substance abuse of one sort or, or or another, and nobody that you, you talk to ever. Was like, you know what? I’m gonna wake up one day thinking, Hey, I’m gonna go get addicted to this, that, or the other thing, whatever it is.
You know, nobody has that in their mind. Nobody grows up as a kid saying, Hey, you know what? I wanna be addicted to something, you know, when I get older like that. That’s not the way anybody envisions life going forward. Sometimes in cases like yours, like, you know, that your prescribed medication from childbirth and like, okay, that, that makes sense because like, God bless the woman out there because I like, we have three kids and my, my wife is a saint who’s, who’s able to, you know, have, have those three, three children and you know, yeah, you’re probably gonna need some pain medication after, [00:07:00] after that because that’s, that’s a.
Traumatic thing that’s happening to your bodies as, as those kids are coming out one, you know, one way or the other, whether it’s C-section or you know, you know, whatever. But it, it, that, that is something that it makes sense. Yeah, sure. You, you’re probably gonna need that. Not thinking that, oh my gosh, this is gonna lead to years of dependence on this medication because of this, this one incident that took place and I’m sure looking back on it now, you’d probably be like, you know what? I, I’d rather just deal with the pain than have to go through you know, all these years of, of struggle. It, it probably would’ve been better off just dealing with the pain. Now maybe that might not be the case for everybody, but you know, I, I would imagine if it was me in, in that position, I would, I would rather just suck it up and deal with it for a little while, right?
I mean, that’s not case but mind that seems. That would probably be be the answer. But when you’re dealing with people who are in pain, they’re, they’re struggling, they’re, they’re suffering in that [00:08:00] moment. They, they’re not thinking 7, 8, 10 years down the road of what is this affect gonna be? They’re thinking, how do I get that relief right now?
And, and the reason why I bring that up is because it seems like based on what you’re saying is, is that there was some other stuff going on in the background with you that. You found some relief in through this, this medication, and you’re like, you know what? That, that relief kind of felt good, and I wanna continue that relief.
And, and maybe that’s the reason why you continued taking that medication for, for so long. I mean, am I kind of on the right track with, with all.
[00:08:36] Shannon Curtis: So, to back up the story a little bit, I went through a lot of miscarriages and I really struggled, and it will, we’ll get into that, but I had sexual trauma when I was four, and so from that there was a lot of female problems that I had, and I’ve had surgeries, I’ve had hysterectomy, I’ve been through menopause.
I, you know, 35. And so there was a lot of things behind my story, but I’ll never forget the [00:09:00] first time I found out I miscarried and I didn’t even know that was. Possible. And you go in for the first ultrasound to hear the heartbeat, the doctor pulls you aside and it’s like, no, there’s no heartbeat. I didn’t even know that was possible.
But what I remembered from that day was I left there with a prescription for pain medicine for anti-anxiety and Valium. Those three things, not a, here’s a card, someone to talk to, here’s a grief counselor. You know, those are those things that, looking back, that’s what set me up for my addiction, was learning that behavior from the doctor saying, here, this is your answer. This is your answer. Not thinking that starting antidepressant was not going to cure my depression. It was not going to. I work with so many clients that are on antidepressants and they’re still depressed. I was on ’em for seven, eight years now I’m not, and I’m not depressed. And so it’s that ironic thing of what you get sometimes that quote unquote medicine, it’s not really the medicine that your soul’s looking for. And so that really started my journey of understanding [00:10:00] pain medicine, numbed pain, but. You have to feel the pain. There’s a reason why. So I think there’s a place for pain medicine, absolutely. But it’s what are you trying to numb? Is it physical
pain or is it emotional pain?
And
[00:10:13] Scott DeLuzio: Sure.
[00:10:14] Shannon Curtis: important one.
[00:10:15] Scott DeLuzio: Right. And when it,
when it’s a physical pain, like, okay, yeah, I think we can all wrap our heads around that because you know, you don’t wanna be suffering with that, that physical pain. But you also suffer with emotional pain as well. And when you’re using that kind of medication to numb the emotional pain I, I.
I don’t think that’s the, the best approach there are, are certainly better approaches to dealing with that pain and, and not, like you said, feeling the pain and understanding kind of where that pain is coming from as opposed to just numbing it out and not feeling it, which probably in the, in the moment, in that temporary moment probably feels better to just not feel it right.
[00:10:54] Shannon Curtis: absolutely. That’s why I don’t shame it. That’s why anyone who’s listening, who’s struggling with addiction. It’s [00:11:00] okay. That’s what I tell my clients. It’s okay, let’s just find the reason why so we can replace it with something. And that’s where I really wanna talk about is not shaming the answer.
Addiction is not the shame. It’s literally a symptom. It’s something saying, I’m trying to numb something that I don’t have
the right
tools to walk
through.
[00:11:19] Scott DeLuzio: Right. Right. And I think it’s important to get those tools and, and to figure out how to walk through that. And, and it could be any number of different approaches that. You know, everyone’s gonna be different. So I, I can’t say one approach is gonna work better for one person or another. Part of what I like to do with this show is to put out all the different types of approaches that that might be useful to certain people.
And someone might listen to it and be like, yeah, that doesn’t work for me. And. They move on and they, they, they do something else and that, that’s fine. But someone might be out there saying, I tried a dozen different things and nothing seems to work for me. And then they hear this, this one next thing and it be becomes, [00:12:00] oh my gosh, I didn’t even think of that.
And the light bulb moment comes on and, and they, they say, you know what? That’s the thing that I, I’ve been waiting for. And that’s what I, what I’ve been trying to find all these years and I’ve been just suffering and struggling. My way through, and now all of a sudden I’ve, I’ve heard about this thing and I, I’m trying it and it’s working, and life is, is turning around for me.
And, you know, I I, I’m, I wish it didn’t have to be such a long time for some people to, to before they figure it out, but like you said, sometimes you do have to feel the pain. And sometimes you do have to kind of work your way through it. And, and when you do get to the end of that the light at the end of that tunnel you, you start to.
I realize like, okay, that that struggle there, there was some meaning behind that struggle, right?
[00:12:41] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think that pain, there’s a purpose in pain, and that’s the thing of I try to help people, is to understand the pain, because when you understand it and you don’t see it as a punishment. Like, oh, there’s a lesson in that I don’t truly believe we’re punished. I don’t think the God of my
understanding punishes us.
And so [00:13:00] it’s
[00:13:00] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm.
[00:13:01] Shannon Curtis: Can we find the lesson in it? And sometimes once we find the lesson, I always say, everything that’s happened to me has happened for me. It’s not happened to me on punishment. It is literally happened for me, for
[00:13:12] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:13:13] Shannon Curtis: of
who I am and why I’m here.
[00:13:16] Scott DeLuzio: And you know, I, I’ve said this before on this show, and I think at this point it, it’s worth mentioning again, but you know, think of all the, the pains, whether, you know, physical, emotional, things like that to, to your point there, there is a purpose and they will teach you something and.
Improve your life in one way or another depending on, you know, what that type of pain is. Even think about as a, a young child the first time you, you maybe touched a hot stove or something, something that was really hot and, and you, you kind of burned your, your fingers or, or something. And like there, there was pain there, obviously, right?
But in that moment you learned, don’t touch that, that’s really hot. And, and don’t do that again. Years and years later, you still know not to [00:14:00] touch that thing because it will hurt you and you, it could cause damage to you. And so, so you’ve learned something a, about that environment and now you’ve improved yourself so that you don’t do that.
And I know that’s a real simple example, but think of like any other pain that you might have whether it’s an emotional pain or physical pain or anything like that. You kind of learn like, well, hey, it hurts when I do this. Well, okay, don’t do that. You know, like it, it’s kind of a simple
[00:14:32] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, it’s discernment of, that’s the point
is we get to choose what feels good or not because.
[00:14:37] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:14:37] Shannon Curtis: Okay, so we could take the hot stove. There are some people that like to hurt themselves, physically hurt themselves. So there could be someone who is like, I liked that feeling that that instant gratification, people that cut themselves, you know, that’s what I always say is I never
judge the behaviors. It’s like curiosity of it.
[00:14:54] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm.
[00:14:55] Shannon Curtis: you’re saying, it’s discernment of we get to decide me. I don’t like the way [00:15:00] STO feels. I don’t want to
touch it. I don’t want a
blister in my hand. I don’t
[00:15:03] Scott DeLuzio: Right, right.
[00:15:05] Shannon Curtis: I actually went away from physical pain. I, that’s what I do. I know many clients I work with that actually go towards physical pain and they’re like, bring it on, bring it on.
It, it, it does adrenaline. And I’d imagine in the military you’re kind of pushed towards
working towards some of that physical pain.
[00:15:21] Scott DeLuzio: Oh yeah.
[00:15:22] Shannon Curtis: that’s where sometimes the wires get a little twisted coming out of the military because you’re, you’re, you’re taught that to work through the physical pain of, I don’t care if it hurts, you gotta do it.
Where me as a. Civilian, I might be like,
mm-hmm. I’m not touching that. I’m not doing that.
[00:15:37] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:15:37] Shannon Curtis: it is very interesting the point you bring up that we get to do discernment. We get to decide what feels good or not. But what I’ve learned with working with a lot of military people, clients, is because then they get a little bit outside of it.
When they come back to just your every day of that discernment’s a little bit off, because you’re not in that fight or flight, you’re not having to make those life or death [00:16:00] decisions, but sometimes. Then what happens is we make the everyday things feel like that, feel like it’s a
burning stove, and it’s really not.
[00:16:08] Scott DeLuzio: Right, right. And yeah, you, you, you don’t wanna be in in a position where, where, where it’s constantly chaotic and, and crazy like that. So, so I wanna talk a little bit about.
[00:16:20] Shannon Curtis: Oh.
[00:16:21] Scott DeLuzio: Solutions. I, I mean, I’m, I’m pretty sure most people are familiar with, with pain and trauma and, and the things that,
[00:16:27] Shannon Curtis: But.
[00:16:28] Scott DeLuzio: I mean, that, that go on in life, if you’ve, if you’ve lived long enough, you’re, you’re probably gonna experience some sort of pain and some sort of trauma at, at some point.
What do we do about it? I, I think that’s, that’s kind of what a lot of people are, are sitting there scratching their heads. Thinking, like, I guess I just have to suck it up and deal with this. Or you know, like to your point before a, a lot of folks in the military you know, you just, you just push through it and you push through the pain and you just, you live with it or deal with it.
And that’s not necessarily the best approach. You know, it, you kind of have to do something with it. [00:17:00] Whether it’s some sort of learning lesson or, or you, you process it in, in one way or another. There’s a lot of different things you can do, but in, in your experience and, and you work with a lot of veterans we were talking before we started the recording here.
You know, in your experience, what are some of the things that people do to help themselves get through some of these traumas and some of the, the pain that they’re going through especially with some of the veterans that, that you’ve worked with?
[00:17:24] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, I think the number one thing is just. Em admitting out loud that you need help. I think that’s the number one thing I can tell anyone listening is shame is like the number one killer, meaning whatever you don’t talk about, it’s gonna grow inside of you and it feels yucky. And when you bring it to light, that’s when you can start making those changes.
But
it’s that em admitting it’s not your fault. I think
[00:17:46] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:17:46] Shannon Curtis: shame of, it’s okay, you signed up for something to do this job and you go and I work with people that went and now they’re back. And now they’re having a really, really hard time and it’s like, what is the purpose? What was the point of going [00:18:00] over there?
That’s what a lot of the men say, all those bad things I did. Now what does that make mean? They’re dealing with all of that. And so it’s that point of it’s okay, like let go of the shame of it and start talking about it. Because what happens is, I know for me, I thought I was the only one dealing with it.
I thought I was the only one dealing with this really dark, dirty secret. And that’s what happens. It feels like in the vet community and my partner, who I’m with. The last couple years he’s been struggling. He struggles in and out with depression and suicide to the point where he has pulled the trigger and thank God it didn’t go off.
But he’s been in that darkness and what I found is his darkness is no different than mine. it. It’s pain. It’s pain. It’s wanting to get rid of something. And so I work with a lot of people that struggle with suicide and the first thing I tell them is, it’s okay. It’s okay to want to die. Let’s figure out why.
So we can change it. And that’s where my passion is, is talking about these topics that we shame and I think suicide, there’s an answer in that because it’s saying there is [00:19:00] something so against what I believe that I would rather die than face it. And they would rather die alone than face it. And so I just work with my clients of, there’s nothing you can tell me that I’m gonna judge nothing.
I’m gonna be curious about it, but I’m not gonna judge it because being curious about it, then we start
to understand the behaviors,
[00:19:20] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:19:21] Shannon Curtis: the shame coming from? So that would
[00:19:23] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:19:24] Shannon Curtis: place is just to reach out.
[00:19:26] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Agreed. A hundred percent. Because to your point, a lot of people do keep those things bottled up inside. They don’t, they don’t wanna let them out and and, and air their dirty laundry, if you will you know, to, to the world, to their loved ones, to folks may be in their chain of command or in, in their, their jobs or anything.
They, they want to just. Deal with it and suck it up and deal with it. And, and I know, you know, personally, I’ve, I’ve gone through some, some tough times and for the longest time I was just like, you know what, I’ll, I’ll get [00:20:00] through this. Like, I’ve gotten through other things in the past, I’ll, I’ll just, I’ll just suck it up, deal with it, and, it things only got worse. And, and things never started getting better until I said, you know what I got, I gotta go talk to somebody about this. I have to recognize that this is a problem. It’s not getting better on its own. It’s, it’s you know, just kind of ignoring it isn’t the right answer. And when you go and you start talking to somebody about it, that’s when that that healing can start taking place and, and you kind of open up and let it out.
And. That. Look to your point though, it, it’s nobody ever judged me for the things that I was saying or things that I was feeling or things that I, that were, were happening or anything like that. It was maybe inquiring out of curiosity, but not. Not like you would really think that, or you’d really do that, or you would really, you know, whatever.
Like, it was never a judgment. It was, it was more, I just wanna make sure I got the whole picture right here before we, we continue. And, and that was, that was kind [00:21:00] of the, the attitude that I, I would always get from the folks I’ve, I’ve talked to. And you know, sounds like that’s, that’s kind of the approach that you take as well, which I think is great.
[00:21:08] Shannon Curtis: And that’s why I love being a coach because I get to talk freely. I had thought about that when I found myself after 15 years of being married, divorced, and completely starting over and was a, a housewife and a mom, which I love. I wanted to do a little bit more in my life. I thought about that and I love coaching because I get to freely talk, and that is a connection piece that I think a lot of people need is when I tell you my.
Stuff. I’ve been in it, I’ve been in this dark place of, maybe I didn’t wanna commit suicide, but in a way I did. I was slowly killing myself with paint medicine. So it’s no different. It was just more and a different viewpoint. And so when you get that camaraderie with, with someone that’s looking towards helping, that really takes the shame away because I’m sitting there, right there with you.
I’m not up here above and helping. I’m literally. Meeting you where you’re at. And that’s what I tell my clients, I’ll meet you wherever [00:22:00] you’re at. It doesn’t matter the race, the religion, where you come from. Military, not military. It’s just are you willing to want to get better? Do you wanna get better?
Because it’s really a choice. And I know that sounds so simple and cliche. But it is a choice. I’m not saying it’s gonna be easy, but I promise you I never ask anyone, anyone ever, to do anything I haven’t done. And that’s where I literally, this is my lifestyle. I’ve looked at my perpetrator. I, I have forgiven my perpetrator, I have forgiven perpetrators and my family outside of. that have done things to loved ones, I have done those things and I found that forgiveness is the number one thing, but it starts with forgiveness of yourself. Are you willing to
remember you’re a good person?
[00:22:45] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And that’s a hard thing to do sometimes, especially when people you’re talking about military folks and sometimes they’ve maybe. Deployed and gone to combat and had to do things that were you know, there were [00:23:00] difficult things that, that they might have to do. And some people look at themselves as like, maybe, maybe, no, maybe I don’t feel like I am a, a good person.
And I think that’s where someone like yourself might come in to, to kind of coach someone back to say, look, yeah, there might have been some things that were. Not good that has happened in your life. Maybe, maybe some. Everyone makes bad decisions from time to time too. And so, but that doesn’t mean that the person as a whole is a bad person.
And, and sometimes that person needs to kind of be coached and, and kind of talked into. Well, you know, on as on a whole, like, yeah, I’m probably not that bad of a person. You know, it’s, there’s, there’s more good than, than bad. And, and it’s not even a scorecard of, you know, like a balance or anything like that.
It’s like, just in general, like what, what’s in your heart? Like, are you a good person? You know, some of the bad things that maybe you, you have done? Sometimes people do bad things for good reasons and you know. What, what was that? And maybe just helping [00:24:00] people walk through those, those things to try to come to that conclusion on their own.
Because, you know, I could tell someone, you could tell someone, oh no, you’re a great person. You’re, you’re wonderful. But if they haven’t come to that conclusion on their own, they’re probably not gonna believe it. And, and that I think is probably where, where they need to be. Right.
[00:24:16] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, and I think that’s why you bring up a great point of, usually when I work with military, it’s never really about the military career. We
go all the way back to childhood,
[00:24:26] Scott DeLuzio: Sure.
[00:24:27] Shannon Curtis: what I really work on a lot is inner child work, because that’s what it is, is, like you said, if you don’t feel like you’re a good enough person. I can tell it to. I can say it to you until I’m blue in the face. But if you don’t believe it, we have to keep going back. And that’s what I say, it’s like being in bad relationships. It’s not your current relationship. You have to go all the way back to figure out where you lost your weight and figuring
out, this is what I deserve.
And
[00:24:52] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:24:52] Shannon Curtis: happens is when you can separate. It was just a part you play. Like I said, in the military, a lot of the people [00:25:00] recently, the men that I’ve been working with have been questioning the whys. Why did I do these things? For what? For what? Was it worth? It. And that’s what we really try to work on is separate that that’s a job.
That was something you signed up for. That’s not who are, that was a behavior, whatever that is. But let’s take that back ’cause we can focus on that, but. That’s not who you are anymore. So really they’re left with that. Just yuckiness of maybe why they, why they wanted to serve, why they wanted, why they want it to be of service.
And so when we keep scaling it back, then we can really get into the, some it’s trying to prove to their father. Sometimes it’s because it’s been a legacy within their family and they wanna live up to that expectation, whatever that is. We can keep digging in deeper and deeper and deeper till we finally. Finally get to the root of it. And once we do that, that has truly been the miracles I’ve seen in my work is when they have that light bulb moment of, oh, it’s not about any of this other stuff. It’s about that little boy that was wounded [00:26:00] that
just wanted to be seen by his
father.
[00:26:02] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm. Right. And. I’ve talked to a number of veterans who came out of the military with some sort of mental health issues, whether it’s, you know, PTSD or you know, other things that they may be struggling with. And very often the, the people will say the root cause of a lot of things that they were dealing with was, was something that happened in, in childhood.
Maybe it just set up a belief system about themselves and, it, it kind of just affected them as they experienced other traumas that got kind of layered on top. And those, all those traumas added up and came to this point where where one thing, which may have otherwise been a relatively minor thing could have just been that straw that broke the camel’s back and just sent them kind of a little bit over the edge where, where they, they felt like.
They, they couldn’t come back from [00:27:00] that and they, they really needed some help you know, after that point. And, and so it’s, you, you mentioned yourself having some traumas as, as a child. And you know, it’s, it’s not uncommon. It, it should be, but, but it’s not uncommon that that children do experience traumas.
You know, but. How do, like, that’s a kind of just a fact of life. How do we deal with that and how do we move forward from there? Especially at such a young age when your, your, your brain is still developing and you’re, you’re basically writing these beliefs into your brain telling yourself like, like, this is the way I am, or this is the way life is, or, or this is you know, I’m a good person.
I’m a bad person. Tho those types of things are getting. Etched into your brain at that point in, in, at, at such a young age. How, how do we reverse some of those trends?
[00:27:48] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, so we go back to that child, we go back to that little child, and that’s what I work with my clients is you gotta go all the way back and you gotta take that little boy, wherever that trauma was, whatever that memory [00:28:00] was. Mine for myself was my 4-year-old self of getting taken away outside of my home from a family acquaintance and being molested.
I didn’t fully have full remembrance till I was in my forties. I had fragmented pieces of it, but I didn’t put it all together because it was so traumatic to my little brain. But that’s my healing that I had to do in the book that I wrote is because it’s about going back to that little girl, that 4-year-old and saying, it’s not your fault. It’s not your fault and I got you. So now I take my fully healed, self grown up, takes that hand of that little girl and I’m like, you’re coming with me. And so you have to retrain that little girl or that little boy and that’s what happens a lot. Again, I know I’m keep bringing up military, but obviously it’s ’cause I’m on the show.
But the military men I work with and women. They have sometimes a hard time getting to that space because it’s like the shell that you have to crack open. And sometimes once they get there, those tears come out and then they never stop. And they’re scared that they’re gonna not stop. But it’s part of [00:29:00] honoring that little boy. honoring all the stuff of, yes, the grownup now and the military man, and he’s brave, but that little
boy, he’s not supposed to be brave. He’s
[00:29:09] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:29:10] Shannon Curtis: be scared, and you’re supposed to honor the fear, and so that’s what happens is helping them honor what that little kid felt like. We get stuck in who we are now, but I’m like, okay, that’s cool.
The me now knows that this was done for me and all those things, but the 4-year-old self. Didn’t know that. And so that’s where the inner child work comes in so much is it’s really important to honor the pain of your inner child, of the things the inner child did not know, and the lack of love
and understanding that you might not have
gotten.
[00:29:40] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Right. And it’s hard sometimes I think for especially military folks who are often seen as the protectors of, of people, and well, if I’m looking at, you know, a young, young version. Myself or, you know, [00:30:00] somebody else is looking at that younger version, well, that’s still me. I’m, I’m still the protector person.
I, I don’t need protecting, I don’t need to go protect that person. That person should be a strong, resilient type person. And, and you know, I, I, I don’t, don’t need to protect that person. But to what you’re saying, you kinda have to switch that mindset because Yes, at one point we all were little kids.
And yeah, a little kid. I mean, you look at a little kid now, as you know, as, as an adult like, yeah, of course you’re gonna go protect that person, you know, because they’re, they’re little, they’re vulnerable. They’re, they, they, they need that type of protection. They need to feel safe. And so now we need to go and, and figure out ways to kind of retrain that brain and, and show that kind of protection to, to that young version of ourselves.
[00:30:49] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, find that love. That’s what I find is when
people can’t find the love for themselves.
[00:30:54] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm.
[00:30:55] Shannon Curtis: find it for a child. And that’s why I say, if you don’t have a child, [00:31:00] usually if you have a child, you can easily go back to that or when they’re first born. And that innocence, that’s what I need people to find in themselves.
To truly heal, you have to believe
that’s who you are. The core, the
[00:31:12] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:31:13] Shannon Curtis: is worthy of the unconditional love. And that’s what happens is I think we’re always on the search for unconditional love, but we don’t give it to ourselves. We are the hardest on ourselves, and that’s all those thoughts that have that shame.
I can’t tell anyone what’s going on because they’ll judge me. It’s not
because it’s ’cause we’re really judging ourselves.
[00:31:31] Scott DeLuzio: That’s right.
[00:31:32] Shannon Curtis: talking about my past and my addictions or having an affair. I’ve been the bad. I’ve been the bad. And I’m okay with it. I’m okay with it because when I was in the bad. I was in pain. That’s why I told my daughter, hurt people hurt people. They do. They truly do. So when I was out hurting people, I was ultimately hurting myself by not honoring my voice. But that’s what happens is honoring that little innocent child that still lives in us [00:32:00] all. Because I think at the end of the day, we all just wanna be seen and heard.
I really truly believe, like that’s all we want is
to be validated.
[00:32:08] Scott DeLuzio: Right, and to your point. Yes, you, you may have hurt people through some of the things that, that you have done and, and other folks out there who are listening, you know, you may be currently in the process of hurting people who maybe you would otherwise say, yeah, no, I, I love these people. You know, a spouse, a child, a you know, some, some other family members, some, someone like that, and you may be hurting them with, with some of the things that you’re doing.
And you kinda have to stop and, and ask yourself, like, why? Why is it that I’m doing that? And you know, like you said, very often the, the answer might be, well, you’re hurt yourself and you know, hurt. To your point, hurt people do hurt people, and it’s, it’s. Not right. It just is like, you know, as, as far as saying like, oh yeah, no, it’s okay.
Just go ahead and do it. Because that’s just what [00:33:00] people do. Like you have to recognize like that’s what happens. That’s a consequence of what happens when people are hurt. So how do we heal ourselves? How do we get past that? And what what steps can you take today to. Start reversing that trend so that you don’t continue hurting yourself or other people.
And, and that’s, that’s something I, I think a lot of people need to start thinking about is, is that like, yes, that that’s the path that you’re gonna continue going down if, if you don’t do something. So, so what do you do? And what, what do you specifically need to do? And you know, how do you, how do you start reversing those trends?
And, and I know you, you work with a bunch of people. You have diff different kind of modalities that you, you work with, with folks. What are some of the things that, that you do as you’re working with people that that will help you know, kind of help them reverse that trend?
[00:33:52] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, so one of the big ones that changed my life and my partner’s life, he’s the one who introduced me and he actually works for them, is Ayo Life [00:34:00] Sciences, and it’s in Mexico. And it’s this place where they do iboga plant medicine, psychedelic plant medicine, and they’re having huge, profound, profound changes in people reversing TBIs, PTSD, big time in the military, big time.
And so that’s one of my big ones is I work with people, getting them ready as a psychedelic integration coach and a prep coach for those people that are gonna go on those journeys because it’s really important. And when I say medicine, it is, it is a truly a medicine. It is a plant from West Africa. It’s a shrub from the VGA plant.
That’s all. It’s, and that’s why I laugh, that I always think it’s so interesting that we call drugs, you know, the, the plants that are in there and then the medicines that we call in society or our. Are produced, you know, by man and for profit and they don’t cure anything. Iga you go in usually one time and that’s it.
That’s it. My partner, he’s been twice, so some people go other times, but it’s helped him with his brain stuff and his memory. But for me it [00:35:00] helped me reprogram my thoughts and that’s what it does. It opens you up and it shows you your. Belief system and it shows you that, so then you can change things about it.
And so it’s not an easy task. You’re in the medicine at least 12 hours and you have to be medically supervised because it can lower your heart. But it’s, it’s the most profound thing I’ve ever experienced in my life and working with clients with that, especially military, they’re getting some big, big things in Texas, passed a bill to study it. And so I’m just excited to be on the forefront of that. the biggest thing is, is to be ready for it. Why are you going? Because that’s what I find is the medicine doesn’t heal you. It shows you you have the answers to heal yourself. And that’s the biggest thing is in order to heal myself, it was to change my belief system.
That’s all it was to believe I was a good person. And so it gives you that opportunity to not everyone has visions. A lot of people do. I have visions. And so it showed me all these different things, memories in my life, these [00:36:00] core memories, these core moments. It showed me my molestation and how that changed.
I was able to actually forgive my perpetrator and see literally he was of this. Same light as me at the end of the day. And it was a message, it was for me, it was something my soul wanted to experience. And so I’ve just seen the changes in people really that are wanting something different. Like you said, the same things aren’t working.
The the pills, they have guys that show up with bags and
bags of medicine and they leave with Nothing.
[00:36:29] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:36:30] Shannon Curtis: And now they’re opening it up to MS and Parkinson’s, and it was in heroin addicts. You don’t go through withdrawals. There’s all these like literally miracles that are happening and so that’s a big one.
But I want to preface on anyone who’s listening, please, please vet where you go, your facilitator, because it’s not legal in the United States right now. Like I said, they’re studying it in Texas and hopefully that will be on the forefront of it. I love ambi life. Sciences in Mexico. There’s a couple other ones, but really vet it.[00:37:00]
This is not something where sometimes people hear and they’re like, oh, sign me up without really knowing what it is. It’s a big task and it’s a lot on your body, are for people that are ready for big changes. That’s probably the biggest experience that I’ve seen in my clients that are wanting to go and,
and, and just dive in.
[00:37:19] Scott DeLuzio: Right. And I, I’m glad that you mentioned what, what you just said as, as far as it, you know, it is not legal in the United States. So I, the last thing I want, want people to do is listen to. Something that, that some, some guy on a podcast was talking about. And, you know, just, just decide like, Hey, this sounds like a great idea.
I’m gonna go do this now. And then they get themselves in more trouble and, and, and it, it just is not a, a good situation. So, yeah, definitely vet the, the, the people that you’re doing this with. Make sure it’s done legally, make sure it’s done safely like you said, under medical supervision because.
You don’t want anything bad to happen while, while you’re, [00:38:00] you’re doing this, and until you, you do it, you don’t necessarily know what the effects are gonna be. And you know, those, those medical providers are there and they’re, they’re able to you know, to kind of help, help out with all that and make, make sure it’s done safely.
And if anything does go wrong, they’re there to help kind of adjust course. And so, yeah, definitely do your research. Don’t, don’t just. You know, don’t just take my word or your word or anything like that for it. I haven’t gone through this, so I’m not the person to talk to. So I, I don’t, I don’t know what’s good, what’s bad, what’s, you know, what’s o just okay in the middle somewhere.
I, I don’t really have any opinion on, on that either way. But like I said at, at the beginning, I, I like to share all the different options that are available to people. And, and this is something that’s to your point it, it’s. Up more and more in, in the news. There’s a lot of research being done, stuff like that.
What’s going on in Texas. There’s just, it’s becoming more and more prevalent in the veteran space and a lot of people are, are [00:39:00] working through it. They’re doing they’re, they’re using this as a really, as a tool to help them heal and. The, the more people are doing it and the more good stuff that we’re seeing, they’re, they’re gonna start telling their friends.
It’s like, Hey, this worked for me. Maybe it’ll work for you. And then the more and more people are gonna start having interest in it and wanting to, to try it. So, you know, I, I think it’s important to cover it and cover it as, as far as far as the show is concerned. With, with talking about the benefits, obviously, like how, how can this help you but also understand what some of the risks are and, and.
You don’t want to just go jump into this with without proper supervision, proper care and treatment. And, and one of the things that you did mention is that you, you have to be open to to some sort of change of, of your beliefs. And, and I think one of the, the big things that, that people kind of struggle with is there’s.
There’s kind of two things that, that people might be having going on in their [00:40:00] head is, is their knowledge of, of something and then their beliefs of, of that something. And so I might you know, as, as someone who might be struggling with with, with their, their mental health or whatever, it’s like, I, I might know that I’m a, I’m a good person, but I don’t believe it and.
Or, or I might know that it wasn’t my fault that X, y, or Z happened, but maybe I don’t believe it. And so there’s a difference between that knowledge and that believing and, and sometimes that disconnect is, is what is really holding people back. And, and beliefs can be super strong and, and really be, be kind of a hindrance when, when it comes to.
Ultimately healing. But it sounds like from what you were saying is that this can help you kind of reshape some of your beliefs about yourself.
[00:40:50] Shannon Curtis: resets. It goes in there and it shows you, so how my partner
learned was on the Sean Ryan Show, which a lot of
[00:40:56] Scott DeLuzio: Sure.
[00:40:56] Shannon Curtis: listen, and he went to Abi O where I went and. Many, [00:41:00] many military and people that have been on a show have gone to it. And so it felt something very right. And so my partner went six months before and it was a beautiful five day experience, but they, it’s MINDBODY and Soul.
You don’t just take something and you go and stuff. It’s a whole experience. And you start off with a sweat lodge and you get a coach before. And so you’re working with the coach before understanding what am I trying to get rid of? You always have to have an intention and a burn list. What are you going there for, to gain and what are you going there to let go of?
And so that’s a big start of it. the spiritual side of things too. We call it the woo sometimes of how, how much? Are you okay with that? Because it is a spiritual medicine, it’s something that you ingest. only way I can say it is it’s like a dream light state really. You, you lay down and it’s at nighttime ’cause they honor the tradition of the tribe and you put a mask on.
And so as soon as you have like the little eye mask on and your eyes are closed, you’re off, you’re off in another universe. Wherever you’re, you’re, you’re at experiencing, reliving something, [00:42:00] whatever it is, it feels so real. But then someone comes and taps you on the shoulder and says, Shannon, and you open your eye mask and you’re. So it’s that weird thing of you’re, you’re in it, but you’re also not, and so they have a medical staff all the time with you and you have a heart monitor on, which is, I I, I loved the both, that you got the medical side, so you felt very safe. But then you have the spiritual side that honors the medicine and you have the coaching on the front end and the back end.
And so it was just a beautiful journey. Of giving you the opportunity to rest. Some people just rest for 12 hours and they sleep, but then they, they’re like, nothing happened. But then they’ll go back and their TBIs are, are, are less, literally less. They walk in maybe with five and they’re down to one or two and they’re studying the brain how that does that or the depression and things.
I just saw the shift in my partner. Instantly. Instantly the shift of everything bothered him. And I’m sure some people might resonate with this. When you’re on that high end, that fight or flight all the time, [00:43:00] everything is out to kind of get you and you drive and you, you’d have to sit by the door, you know, to look at the exit and all that stuff. And I’ll never forget afterwards when you called, the first thing was I had my dogs running around and normally that noise in the background would set ’em off. And you know, and, and I’m sure spouses or partners that are listening might resonate. You’re kind of walking on eggshell. Like, okay, I gotta keep everything at
bay or else they’re gonna set off.
[00:43:22] Scott DeLuzio: All right.
[00:43:23] Shannon Curtis: that. And he starts laughing and he is like, oh my gosh, there’s just dogs running around. And that was one of the most beautiful moments because he didn’t even realize that in that moment. He could just see it not as a threat, not as a distraction, not as something out to get him. And those were those huge shifts.
That might sound simple, but when you’re living your, your life, every day in fight or flight, you finally just get to relax and it’s like brings you back. It’s like a reset, it’s like a power wash and your body, and it literally resets all the brain, the neurotransmitters. And so you get to decide when you get back home, [00:44:00] it stays in your system for about three months. And you get to decide, you get to add in all the good stuff. So you can start meditating, start doing yoga, working out. And the more you do that, it’s literally just get ingrained into your brain and before you know it, you become that person. And so it’s just a great reset to kind of, like you said, filter out the things that maybe are
no longer serving you.
Those beliefs.
[00:44:22] Scott DeLuzio: Sure. Yeah, exactly. And, and those, those are the things that, that maybe are holding you back and these other things that are not. Part of your day-to-day practices like the meditation or the breathe breath work or, or whatever the things are that you are wanting to add into your life. They’re maybe not those things that are habit yet, that or, or they’re not.
Just routine and things that you just do automatically. And so by kind of re rewriting your. The, the way your, your brain operates that that [00:45:00] can start to become that new thing that you start doing. And those things have very positive benefits. Those old beliefs that were not serving you are, they have some negative effects on you.
And so if you can swap out the negatives for something that’s a positive I see that as, as a win all around. ‘Cause you’re, you’re. Clearing out the clutter and you’re adding in some, some good stuff and, and you’re, you’re helping yourself basically all around. But I know, I know that there’s some people who might be listening saying to themselves that you know, I’ve, I’ve gone through too much, I’ve, I’ve experienced too much, or my, my stories too dark that the stuff that I’ve dealt with are is just too terrible.
You know, what, what’s one thing that they, they can, ask themselves or say to themselves, what, what’s one thing that they can do right now that they can do to maybe start shifting that belief? And maybe that’s even something that, you know, through the, this experience that, that might help them to kind of [00:46:00] move past that, that that limiting belief that they might have.
[00:46:05] Shannon Curtis: Mm-hmm. So I’m a big believer in gratitude, so
sometimes people are like, I don’t even know where to start. I’m
[00:46:10] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm.
[00:46:10] Shannon Curtis: in it, I don’t know where to start. Start with gratitude. I always do like a three, three things you’re grateful for every day, and some of those things can be the simplest things. I’m, I’m grateful for being alive, I’m grateful for this.
Maybe you’re not grateful for being alive. Maybe you’re just grateful that you have a roof over your head, whatever it is. But it’s training your brain to find the good, because when you look for the good, I guarantee you’re gonna find the good. But guess what? You look for the bad. guarantee you, you’re gonna find the bad.
So it’s a matter of perspective. Do you wanna look at all the things and say, those are the things, that’s who I am, all these bad behaviors? Or do you wanna look at all the good things? Because again, I can, I can decide really easy. All the good things I’ve done and all the bad things. I choose to look at the good, because ultimately I am good.
The bad was behaviors. It was a [00:47:00] reaction. There was a reason why I did that. We don’t just wake up, like you said, I didn’t just wake up say, I wanna be an addict. I wanna be addicted to pain medicine. I wanna have affair, I wanna, no, it was all these things let up to like somebody pay attention to me ultimately. I just wanted to be seen and heard. And sometimes we just go inwards because we just are afraid to really be seen and heard. So it’s that ironic thing that we do the opposite of what we want, it’s that self-belief. Are we really worthy to be seen? Are we really worried? And so what happens is the gratitude.
You start looking for that. And sometimes the gratitude can just be someone treats you really bad, something bad happens to you. Thank you for showing me who I choose not to be. It can simply be that someone’s a jerk to you at work or a boss or whatever. Thank you for showing me. I never wanna be that way.
That can be the gratitude in it. And so it’s just a matter of shift of perspective of how do you choose to [00:48:00] live your life? Do you want to live it in pain and misery, or do you wanna live it in gratitude and. Damn, the pain of misery. That’s the differences. There’s a lot of beauty in all of it once you understand it.
[00:48:13] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And I, I’ve to those scenarios that you just described, I’ve, I’ve often thought of it as you know, thank you for showing me your true colors. So now I know who I’m dealing with. So it, it, you know, you’re not, you’re not, you’re putting on a show, putting on an appearance for me, and I’m, I’m now thinking that you’re this great person when really you’re kind of a jerk.
And now I know this, so it, it. It kind of opens up your eyes to tho those types of things. And I’d, I’d rather know that early on so that way I don’t invest too much time or energy into this person that I, I don’t really want to you know, associate too much with. I mean, sometimes you might have to if it’s a job or something like that, but you know, at least you know who this person is so that they don’t come and surprise you, you know, a year or two later. And then, then you feel like you’re, you’re getting [00:49:00] blindsided by this person. That’s really who they were all along. But you have this different belief or this different of, of view of who this person is.
And so, you know, it’s, but it’s important though to, to have that, that kind of gratitude. ’cause you’re right, the, the more you seek out. The good, the the more good you’ll find and the more you seek out the bad, the, the more bad you’ll find. And, and that’s the same with anything. I mean, if you, if you think about if you’ve ever gotten a new car and you know, it’s a, you know, a red, you know, red Ford, whatever, and you start driving around and you start seeing a bunch of red Fords on, on the street and it’s like, man, I like yesterday.
There weren’t that many people driving around in red Fords, but now all of a sudden I have a new one, and now everyone’s, what? Is everyone copying me? No, it’s the same amount of cars that were out in the road yesterday. It’s your, your mind is just now trained to, to notice those things a little bit more than, than you would have before.
And so, you know, it’s, it’s because you’re, you’re looking for it. You’re gonna find it, you know.
[00:49:59] Shannon Curtis: [00:50:00] Absolutely. So what do you, that’s why I tell my clients, what are you looking for? What are you looking for? What do you want out of this? I could tell you so many times in the beginning, I would ask, what if I can ask you your highest version of yourself? If I had a magic wand and I’m like, poof, I’m a little fairy.
Whatever you want is
yours. Most people don’t know the
[00:50:19] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:50:19] Shannon Curtis: And I tell ’em it’s okay, but let’s start with that. Let’s start with what does the end look like? What do you want your life to look like? Then we have somewhere to go, but it’s like driving around a car and not putting in your navigation and getting frustrated that you don’t know where you’re going. You haven’t put in the navigation. And so that’s what I do as a coach
is let’s figure it out together.
[00:50:43] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:50:43] Shannon Curtis: to decide that’s how the universe, how, my belief is you get to be whatever you choose to be, but you have to know first, and that’s where I think a lot of people are stuck in getting outta the military is what
is my purpose now?
[00:50:57] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:50:58] Shannon Curtis: Who I am I outside of [00:51:00] the uniform? And so we get to start from ground zero and literally say, I don’t know. You tell me. And then we get to dive into passions and what makes you happy. And what I found with a lot of military is they want purpose in helping people. To serve. That’s literally what you did was to risk your life for serving.
So now let’s find some of these gifts you have and let’s use them. And so my hope is to literally create a space and I we do retreats and we’re gonna be doing ’em in the summer of Montana next year. And it’s to create the space where vets can come and they can explore those passions, and then we can do it with a purpose in their life.
But I feel like that’s what you need is a passion, but
you gotta have a purpose too.
[00:51:41] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. For sure. The purpose is such a huge piece of it especially for, for veterans because to your, your point there, there was that, that purpose behind your, your service where you. You’ve raised your hand and you said, yes, I’m, I’m willing to give everything up to and including my [00:52:00] life for this country.
And that you, you, you went off and you did something very bold, very meaningful, very impactful, and. Then you, you get out and like that’s all gone and it kind of seems like nothing else adds up because, you know, short of, you know, maybe, maybe a police officer or, or some sort of law enforcement or, or things like that.
Nobody’s really asking you to. You know, firefighters too, and you know, there’s some other jobs, but there’s a lot fewer jobs on the civilian side where people are asking you to, to risk your life on, on a regular basis. And you know, and so it just doesn’t feel as meaningful sometimes and,
[00:52:39] Shannon Curtis: interesting, and that would be my curiosity is why do you feel like you have to risk your life
to make an impact?
[00:52:46] Scott DeLuzio: well, I, I don’t know that you necessarily have to, but when you. Signed up for something that, that was one of the, kind of the, the hazards of the job is, is that is something that, that you already [00:53:00] said. Yes, I’m, I’m willing to do this. I’m willing to risk my life for this job. ‘Cause quite frankly, that’s, that’s what it is.
It, it’s part of the job. And then anything else is not as not as severe of a consequence. If things, you know, don’t, don’t go a certain way. So it, it does just sometimes maybe doesn’t feel like it’s as meaningful or as,
[00:53:25] Shannon Curtis: that’s what, right, and that’s what I mean
is like that’s what we
have to retrain the brain to think.
[00:53:30] Scott DeLuzio: Yep.
[00:53:30] Shannon Curtis: because like my work, I’m not risking my life every day, but I know mine is just as meaningful because I’m change helping change people’s life. But I had to like, I had to find that confidence in myself for that and working with vets because again, if I didn’t have that confidence, I would think, oh, well, well, they know it all
because they were willing to die for it. Right. That’s the difference of, of that. It’s no difference better than or worse than. It’s just, like you said, trained. Your brain was trained. You had [00:54:00] to be almost on this height to where you’d walk into fight. You literally walk into a gunfight being
like, I don’t, if I die, I die.
[00:54:06] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:54:07] Shannon Curtis: not normal for me to think of, right?
And so it’s getting, taking away that shame of
your brain was trained to do that.
[00:54:15] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:54:15] Shannon Curtis: retrain it. And that’s the hard part that I think people have are having a hard time with. How do we validate that? But then also find that same excitement and
purpose within the civilian life.
[00:54:28] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, exactly. And, and to your point, you know, the work that you do is completely, totally meaningful. And. There are other jobs that people have totally meaningful, and it’s a lot of purpose and a lot of lot of, lot of good stuff going into those, those other jobs. Just sometimes I think there’s that intensity of it’s all, it’s all on the line.
And then when it’s not all on the line, it doesn’t seem as, as big of an impact. It, you know, you, you could be playing, [00:55:00] playing poker and you could have a. A hundred thousand dollars sitting in front of you and you put it all on the line, that’s gonna be a pretty big impact. If you go and you go all in with that a hundred thousand dollars and that, that’s gonna probably get that adrenaline pumping quite a bit,
[00:55:14] Shannon Curtis: say
[00:55:14] Scott DeLuzio: right?
[00:55:15] Shannon Curtis: that’s that high and low that we start to.
[00:55:17] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:55:17] Shannon Curtis: That’s that feeling of, there’s some people that gamble love to lose. They love the feeling of that sinking feeling, and then you have the ones that do. So it is, it’s so interesting. It’s just on a bigger level, like you said, it’s just a
[00:55:30] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:55:31] Shannon Curtis: of that adrenaline of that
highs and lows.
[00:55:33] Scott DeLuzio: And that’s not to say that, you know, a thousand dollars isn’t a big, big impact, but, but it’s, it just doesn’t feel as big as that, that bigger, you know, push. So, it, it, it’s just a I I maybe just the way we’ve trained our brains and just the way we’re, we’re, we’re wired right now, but you know, ultimately, you, you have to, like you said, you have to find that purpose. You have to find that that meaning and, and especially your passion and, and try to kind of, [00:56:00] accommodate for, for all of that. Before we, before we wrap up here, excuse me before we wrap up. I’m sure there’s some listeners out there who are interested in, in you and kind of the, the, the work that you do and, and maybe wanna learn a little bit more about what you do.
Where can people go to find out more information and and and, and reach out and get some help.
[00:56:19] Shannon Curtis: Yeah, so they can go to my website. It’s www.angelgoddesshealing.com and they can find me there. And I’m also on social media. I have retreats coming up. I’m doing women’s in January, but I’m also ultimately gonna be doing vet ones. Do small ones here in Texas, but ultimately it will be in Montana where we’re just creating a space for vets to come and have a place where they can just be themselves and really, whether they’re active duty or not, I work with them all is just find a space that’s like sacred to where they don’t have to be judged.
You can talk about the good and the bad. Because I know there’s bad and it’s okay. You know, there’s a lot of good, but there is a lot of bad. And so it’s just [00:57:00] trying to create that space to where we can help these vets that walk away feeling just a little bit better so they can reach out to that. And then I also do the integration, the psychedelic coach, and then I’m an intuitive coach, I’m a medium, so I do a little bit of everything.
And yeah, I’m just grateful to be here today to be of service to everyone that’s given service
to, to me and my family.
[00:57:20] Scott DeLuzio: Well, we definitely appreciate it and hopefully some folks will, will check out your, your website and, and reach out for some help. All the links that you mentioned will be in the show notes, your, your website and social media links and all that kind of stuff so people can follow you. Reach out.
Contact and, and do all that kinda stuff too. All those links will be right there in the show notes. So, Shannon, thanks so much for your time and thanks for what you do to, to help folks find healing and find a, a, a better path in, in their own lives. So, so thanks so much.
[00:57:47] Shannon Curtis: Thank you and thank you for your service.
[00:57:49] Scott DeLuzio: Appreciate it.[00:58:00]