Episode 562 Diego Colon Migraine and Headache Care for Veterans Transcript
This transcript is from episode 562 with guest Diego Colon.
[00:00:00] Scott DeLuzio: You can push through a lot and you already have. But when a headache starts calling the shots, it steals your focus at work, your patience at home, and your ability to stay present with the people who matter most to you. And the worst part is how easy it is to brush it off. Just take another pill, then the lights, and tell yourself it’s all gonna be fine.
[00:00:21] But life can be different. You can spot the patterns, stop guessing and walk into an appointment with a provider with intelligence that leads to actual care that will help you get rid of these these headaches. Today’s conversation gets into what headache and migraine can look like for veterans, why it’s often connected to service exposures and stress, and how a simple tracking habit can help you take back control in your own life.
[00:00:49] Our guest, Diego Colon breaks down a mission ready way to navigate care, understand triggers, and use the right tools to s so that you [00:01:00] stop white knuckling your way through the week. Then we move on to resources that are built to bridge the gap between what exists and what veterans can actually access with a clear path to get started.
[00:01:13] But before we get into this episode, I wanna take a moment to raise awareness for something that’s deeply important to our community. The Global War on Terrorism Memorial Foundation. This organization’s working to build a permanent national memorial in Washington DC to honor the service members, families, and civilians who are impacted by the global war on terrorism.
[00:01:30] This memorial will serve as both a tribute to those who served and a way to ensure that their sacrifices are recognized and remembered for generations to come. If you’d like to learn more or find out how you can support their mission, visit GWOT Memorial Foundation. Now let’s into today’s episode.
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[00:02:02] Scott DeLuzio: Hey, Diego, welcome to the show. Really glad to have you here.
[00:02:05] Diego Colon: Really glad to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
[00:02:08] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, you bet.
[00:02:08] I know, I know we met a couple months ago at at the military influencer conference, and we got, got to chat a little bit you and I. But for the listeners who maybe aren’t familiar with you and, and who you are, where you’re from and all that kinda stuff, give us a quick rundown of who you are and, and your background and that kind of stuff.
[00:02:23] Diego Colon: Sure, sure. Yes. Delightful meeting you at that conference. My name is Diego Colon. I am from Chicago, Illinois. Where’s where I am right now? And I am the associate
[00:02:34] military. I’m the associate Director of military partnerships for the
[00:02:37] National Headache Foundation.
[00:02:39] Scott DeLuzio: Awesome, awesome. So
[00:02:42] yeah, we’re, is, if that wasn’t obvious enough for the listeners, we’re gonna be talking about headaches and, and things that are related to headaches A lot of times you, you gave me some information from your organization and I, I’ve read through some of the stuff and a lot of times stuff that you wouldn’t necessarily think.
[00:02:58] Could cause a headache, could [00:03:00] be the, the source of a headache. And some people are out there struggling and suffering with headaches, migraines, all those kind of things. And they’re not sure where they’re coming from, why they’re getting them all of a sudden sometimes. And maybe something unrelated to what you might ordinarily expect to be a headache, you know, a lot of times bright lights or, or things like that could, could cause a headache or dehydration.
[00:03:21] Those kind of things, you know, we can kind of wrap our heads around, but other, other things.
[00:03:25] Diego Colon: Yes. Okay.
[00:03:27] Scott DeLuzio: That stuff, I’m sure a little bit later. But but
[00:03:30] one of the the programs that you guys have at the National Headache Foundation is Operation Brainstorm, and that’s, I think what you guys were kind promoting at the, the conference and what you guys were kind talking about.
[00:03:40] And so tell us about the, the program and kind of what the, the problem that you’re trying to solve for veterans and, and you know, what, what that kind of all looks like.
[00:03:49] Diego Colon: Absolutely. Would love to talk about Operation Brainstorm and how we’re helping veterans with it. First a little bit of context. Veterans there are about 19 million ish veterans in [00:04:00] America, and that’s a third of them are living with headache and migraine. A third a third of them are living with headache and migraine women more so than men. And that is from a bunch of different reasons. Like when you think of how someone gets a headache or how someone gets a migraine, and I’m sure you’re thinking veterans, you’re thinking some sort of battle, you’re thinking some sort of like something happening to them, which is all absolutely the case.
[00:04:24] That definitely happens. But also veterans are just in, in situations like being by burn pits or being by chemical fires. And those things also cause headache and migraines. Sometimes it’s just. Genetic and that it just kicks in when you’re in service. And so kind of what we’re doing here at Operation Brainstorm is recognizing that we are dealing with an issue that is affecting a third veterans and which is a very large amount, and there’s not a lot out there.
[00:04:52] The VA has so much available to help. And I think what job in creating Operation [00:05:00] Brainstorm has become. Is creating this tool, this resource to help bridge the gap between veterans who have headache and migraine and are not getting treated and need help and are looking for answers and providers who are just like, you know, working with a bunch of different veterans constantly all the time and wanting to make sure that they see exactly what is needed from their
[00:05:25] veteran or they hear what they need to
[00:05:27] provide the
[00:05:27] appropriate treatment slash care.
[00:05:29] Scott DeLuzio: Right, right. And
[00:05:32] I, I was talking about this just a, a minute ago where there’s a lot of conditions that could cause a headache or a migraine or things like that in people that, like I said, you may not think of these things. Sometimes dehydration. Yeah. Okay. We understand those kind of things. Stress, those, those kind of things.
[00:05:51] But you know, it could be. Sleep. It could be, you know, sleep is related issues, could be weather changes loud sounds or [00:06:00] you, you mentioned a lot of times women are, are. The ones who have more headaches than, than men,
[00:06:05] Diego Colon: Mm-hmm.
[00:06:06] Scott DeLuzio: could be hormonal changes as they get older and, and things like that too.
[00:06:10] That those, those kind kind of things could, could start affecting it. It, it could be,
[00:06:13] Diego Colon: Hmm.
[00:06:14] Scott DeLuzio: It could be all sorts of things. TBIs even in, in, I’m, I’m actually, I’m have a little cheat sheet here ’cause you gave me a little pamphlet and.
[00:06:21] Diego Colon: Listen, I love, that’s what
[00:06:24] it’s for. I’m glad people are reading the pamphlets,
[00:06:27] Scott DeLuzio: It’s, and I, I, I kept it you know, from a couple months ago when we, when we met, and I, I’m, I’m glad I did because you know, it, it’s got tons of information in it and, and even things like PTSD and, and other things like that could, could be mental health related things. Yeah. It could be the, the source of it.
[00:06:43] And and so. You might say, okay, well I have a headache. A lot of times people just, you know, maybe pop some aspirin or you know, Advil or something like that and, and think, okay, great, it’s, it’s feels better. And, and so it’s gone. But you’re not addressing the root cause of the issue. And so eventually [00:07:00] that headache’s gonna come back, you know, even if it’s something as simple as, as dehydration.
[00:07:04] Yeah, sure. You might feel better temporarily while that, that. Whatever you know, aspirin or whatever you took is, is doing its thing, but if you don’t drink some water, you’re gonna, that headache’s coming right back. Right. So,
[00:07:16] Diego Colon: Yeah.
[00:07:17] Scott DeLuzio: you know, to your point, getting in touch with the, the right providers who can kind of drill down to the root cause of the issue is really important.
[00:07:26] And it’s not something that you, you should just say, oh, well I’ll just, I’ll just take more, you know. Painkillers or, or whatever to deal with this. You know, it, it really should be, let’s dig down to the root cause, right.
[00:07:39] Diego Colon: Yes. Down to the root cause. Is absolutely the goal. That is where I’m trying to get people. But I have been talking to veterans for the better part of almost two years now. And I think the first hurdle, this is not a this, this is not a judgment, this is just sort of something that I am [00:08:00] recognizing is that veterans are a tough community of people.
[00:08:03] A group of people. They’re super
[00:08:06] strong, super dedicated, super motivated. It’s tough.
[00:08:10] It’s also tough to get them to go to the doctor.
[00:08:12] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:08:13] Diego Colon: So that is, that is the first hurdle is getting ’em to go to the doctor. The second is sort of understanding context a little bit. We, you and I keep saying the word headache because it is applicable in this situation, but I just wanna provide a little bit of context for our listeners out there is that there are many different types of headache there are over. There are hundreds of different types of headaches each one is unique to the very to the person. And so I am not someone who lives with a headache disorder or migraine, but I do get tension type headaches, which is like sort of like your base headache, base level headache that everyone at some point in their life experiences. And so like when we say headache and I’m talking about headache, I’m not really talking too much about tension type headaches because what you’re saying is perfect for attention type headache. Drink some water, get some extra sleep, [00:09:00] uh uh, some aspirin. That is
[00:09:02] normally how you deal with that. What I am talking about is a multiphasic neurological disorder.
[00:09:07] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:09:08] Diego Colon: this is something that is pervasive. This is something that is going to continue and could get worse if not treated early on and effectively that the difference is important because that is part of the hurdle,
[00:09:22] I believe to. people, getting veterans through the
[00:09:25] door to see their doctor.
[00:09:27] Scott DeLuzio: Right. And I, I think the, that first type of headache, like that tension headache, the, the classic kind of headache that you’re, you’re just talking about is something that I think most of us can, we can figure out how to deal with those. Like you said, those are, are. Pretty low level, pretty, pretty easy to, to deal with it.
[00:09:43] They don’t cause too much disruption in your day-to-day life. Yeah, it’s annoying, it’s frustrating, you know, sometimes it’s like, ah, man, it is like the worst time to have a headache. But you know what? You, you can push through and you, you can be okay. But those other ones that you’re, you’re talking about the kinda more severe, they can have some significant impacts [00:10:00] on your day-to-day life as far as affecting your ability to do your job, to be able to.
[00:10:06] You know, care for certain, you know, people, you know, care for your kids, care for yourself even you know, doing certain things are almost impossible in some cases when you, you’re having such bad headaches. Where, you know, your vision could be affected or, you know, other things can be affected.
[00:10:23] Where, where it’s just like, I, I just can’t do anything at this point. I know for, for myself, I, I have these, these migraines where it actually makes my, my vision kind of, go away in, in, in certain parts of my vision. And it, it’s so bad. Like I, I just have, I have to just close my eyes for a, a while and until it, it passes and, and it’s like.
[00:10:46] Those types of things. If, I mean, think about if you’re driving and something like that happens, like you can’t keep driving if you can’t see. Right. So, so it’s like, you know, those kind of things can have a, a impact on your, your day-to-day life. Now fortunately it’s not [00:11:00] like a daily occurrence for me that this, this happens.
[00:11:02] It’s, but it, when it does happen, it’s, it’s frustrating enough that it, it’s like. Man, I, I, I wish I, there was something out there and you know, sometimes it’s just not knowing where to turn and, and who to talk to. Right.
[00:11:14] Diego Colon: yeah, there are. There is, again, like you said, a spectrum of sort of different types of headache and while you might
[00:11:20] not be somebody that e experiences. Headache all the time that exists. The
[00:11:25] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:11:26] Diego Colon: persistent headaches. There are people who wake up every day with a migraine and it’s just part of their lives.
[00:11:32] Billions with a b are lost because of a
[00:11:35] lack of productivity because people can’t work.
[00:11:37] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:11:38] Diego Colon: that you were saying about like not being able to work, not being able to function is very true. Very. But people still push through. People have kids and they have to take care of those kids. They’re single moms, single dads dealing with children and a migraine. I got a chance to speak with a bunch of people who live with cluster headache. Cluster headache
[00:11:58] is known in some [00:12:00] cases as the suicide
[00:12:01] headache because it is so severe
[00:12:03] Scott DeLuzio: Hmm.
[00:12:04] Diego Colon: pain, on a pain scale.
[00:12:05] Cluster headache lives above gunshot
[00:12:08] wounds and pregnancy
[00:12:11] Scott DeLuzio: Oh wow.
[00:12:12] Diego Colon: It is deeply severe.
[00:12:14] Like one of my, or in my understanding of this role and sort of like learning about the, the culture of headache, the culture of migraine, why I had, I had to become familiar with cluster headache and it was very sobering know that
[00:12:27] like the spectrum of this issue is,
[00:12:31] is intense.
[00:12:33] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm.
[00:12:33] Diego Colon: being able to, to find relief is. Especially for someone living with a day to day with who and when someone has a migraine, the headache pain is probably only or three days out of a week of stuff happening to them. So when you think about sort of like the life of their migraine, it doesn’t start at the head pain. It starts three days before when
[00:12:56] they start seeing little things in their eyes
[00:12:58] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:12:58] Diego Colon: the, it’s get [00:13:00] that sounds, start to get a little, like
[00:13:01] that is the beginning of their migraine.
[00:13:03] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And, and those, those little things build up and, and build up and eventually become that kind of full-blown migraine like you’re, you’re talking about. And a lot of times, you know, you’re right, we are a stubborn bunch. And you know, unfortunately that’s the audience I chose to pick for for my podcast.
[00:13:20] It’s a bunch of stubborn people.
[00:13:21] Diego Colon: tough.
[00:13:23] Scott DeLuzio: Okay. Yeah. Tough tough’s a good word. Yeah. You know, so we’re, we’re, we’re tough and we like to we like to just kind of suck it up and deal with it and, and just get, get through things and just push through maybe that, that’s kind of the mindset. But that shouldn’t be the mindset right there.
[00:13:37] There’s some, probably some red flags and some, some issues that, that. Could come from prolonged you know, exposure to these types of headaches, migraines, and, and things like that. And I know there’s, there’s lots of different ones, but you know, are there, what are some of the, like, the long-term effects of, of not dealing with these things in, in a, in a way that can, can kind of help these people?
[00:13:58] Diego Colon: Ooh. [00:14:00] Well, I That, that is a great question. The long-term
[00:14:03] effects are just sort of like. They’re different from
[00:14:06] person to person. I, I’m not a doctor, I’m not a
[00:14:09] Scott DeLuzio: Sure.
[00:14:09] Diego Colon: I can’t, I can’t come on here and say like, this is what’s going to happen. You know, I don’t think I have to be a doctor to say, if you are experiencing something that’s wrong with
[00:14:18] you and it goes untreated, that it could
[00:14:22] never get better or
[00:14:23] could get worse.
[00:14:24] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:14:25] Diego Colon: And, and, and, you know, the,
[00:14:27] I, I don’t need a degree to kind of know that.
[00:14:29] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. exactly. And, and so yeah, think of it, thinking about it now, it’s like, okay, this sucks. This is, this is pretty bad right now, but you know what, it can actually get worse. So yeah, maybe doing something about it and getting, getting the help that you need. But, but a lot of times when. When people do go to the doctor for anything, doesn’t, it doesn’t have to be head headache related.
[00:14:49] It could be you know, other back pain. It could be, you know, something else, whatever it is that you’re going to the doctor for. Sometimes it’s, it’s difficult to describe the symptoms in a way that is [00:15:00] understood by the doctor. You know, we’ve all been to the doctor at one point or another, and you get.
[00:15:05] What, 10 minutes if you’re lucky with a doctor. So getting that information out there to the doctor in a you know, efficient manner so that the, the doctor understands what’s actually going on. You know, and I know headaches are different for everybody, but you know, I, I would imagine having some sort of game plan before you even go into the doctor kind of writing out, okay, this is what I’m dealing with.
[00:15:23] Maybe even having some sort of log of like, when, when the headaches are occurring, how, what the frequency is, what. What you’ve eaten around those times. Having that, that kind of information I would imagine would be helpful for the doctor, but like, what are some tips or advice that you might give to people who are going to see a doctor and, and maybe, you know, wanna make the, the best use of that time?
[00:15:44] Diego Colon: I think you’re right on the money. I think you’re a hundred percent on the money. And if there’s one
[00:15:48] thing, people in service are gonna do well. It’s is
[00:15:50] they’re going to develop a plan and they’re gonna execute.
[00:15:52] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:15:53] Diego Colon: They’re gonna, so that is exactly what you need to do. I think the first thing you need to do is to set up [00:16:00] a an appointment just for your headache. of what you said, that doctors only have so much time with their patients. I feel like people really try to be like, a headache and my asthma’s not doing well and my foot hurts and all. Like, they try to like knock out everything that’s wrong at once. when that happens, your, your, your, your doctor is, you know, trying to knock out all, keep all these plates spinning. So my first advice to you would be to go to a doctor specifically for the headache when you’re going to that doctor for the headache. I would absolutely recommend going to operation brainstorm.org, which I will be plugging a lot here because we have a lot of the tools you can download directly from the va. Or links to apps where you can track your headaches, track your migraines. You can say, I had it this day from this time to this time. It was this severe, it was at this part of my head. You can really kind of
[00:16:55] create you can really
[00:16:57] do your doctor’s homework for them.
[00:16:59] Scott DeLuzio: [00:17:00] Yeah.
[00:17:00] Diego Colon: Going into the doctor’s office and saying, Hey, I’m here to talk about my headaches.
[00:17:05] You know. Knock on wood this veteran that I’m creating has gotten its service connected. And they go in and they go, I got this service connected. And now I’m experiencing this. Here is three months of journals here. Is those three months broken down week by week here? Is this broken down day by day? Is it arduous? Is it a lot of homework? Sure, absolutely. But if you wanna see results, you
[00:17:30] got to
[00:17:30] know what, how your, how your,
[00:17:33] migraine
[00:17:34] is unique.
[00:17:35] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you know, think about like if you, if your car is making a, you know, squeaky noise or something like that, and. You, you just call up a mechanic and say, Hey, my car’s making a squeaky noise. They’re gonna say, yeah, and I don’t know what to do for you. Because a squeaky noise can be from any number of places in your car.
[00:17:52] It could be your brakes, it could be something in the engine. It could be,
[00:17:54] Diego Colon: Yeah.
[00:17:54] Scott DeLuzio: over the place. All sorts of things could be squeaking and, and they don’t know. And so if, [00:18:00] if you don’t know where it is that you’re gonna bring it to the mechanic and they’re gonna take it for. A little test drive around to see if they can recreate what, what the issue is.
[00:18:07] Now in that 10 minutes or 15 minutes, whatever it is that you’re sitting with the doctor, they’re not gonna wait for you to have another migraine or another headache, you know? So, so you’re gonna have to kind of do that in that homework ahead of time so that they have an idea and, and you know, even, like you said, specific parts of your, your head that, that are hurting.
[00:18:25] Like where, where, where are you feeling the pain? That could be an important factor.
[00:18:30] Diego Colon: Would definitely help diagnose what type of headache,
[00:18:32] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:18:33] Diego Colon: having a specific type of migraine, if
[00:18:35] you are having how,
[00:18:37] what, how your attacks manifest.
[00:18:39] Scott DeLuzio: exactly. And the, the doctor’s not gonna walk around with you every day for the next couple months to. Do this research and observation for you. So, yeah, it, it kind of is on you. And I know when someone’s in the middle of having a, a, a real bad, severe headache, that’s probably the last thing on their mind that [00:19:00] they’re, they’re gonna want to have to deal with is, is.
[00:19:02] Jotting down notes and, and all that, all that homework kind of stuff, that, that’s a headache in and of itself. But, you know, that’s, that’s not exactly what they wanna do, but it, it’s very useful. So, you know, as soon as you can do it while it’s still fresh in your memory so you don’t end up forgetting things and then it, then it kind of seems less severe than it actually is when the doctor looks at it.
[00:19:22] You know, the, that’s, that’s probably the, the best way to do it. But,
[00:19:26] Diego Colon: good for the doctor, but I will also say there is an added benefit for the purse for the patient as well. I think. I think having an understanding of what’s going on with
[00:19:35] you recognizing the patterns
[00:19:38] it makes it feel less frightening,
[00:19:41] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:19:41] Diego Colon: like. you have a little bit of control or understanding over something that you might feel like
[00:19:48] you don’t have a lot of control or understanding over, and that is
[00:19:51] gonna be huge for morale.
[00:19:52] That is gonna
[00:19:53] Scott DeLuzio: that’s right.
[00:19:53] Diego Colon: gonna be, that is gonna be the difference between getting out the door to go to the
[00:19:58] doctor and getting and [00:20:00] going just to go to sleep and
[00:20:01] taking way too many et cetera
[00:20:03] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, exactly. And you, you know, even
[00:20:07] just having that list of. Days that you have had the, these, these headaches. I’m using headache as a generic term here, and I I know there’s all sorts of different ones. So just for the, the listeners, it’s, it’s, it’s including migraines and all the other types of things that, that you, you described.
[00:20:22] There’s, there’s a ton of them. So I’m, I’m just using that generically. But you know, the, the days that you’ve had a headache, the, the times a day. What you’re doing around those times where the headache is you know, things that you’ve eaten or drank or, or things like that, you might actually start to recognize patterns in some of the stuff that, you know, if, if it’s a week between.
[00:20:42] The, the migraines that you might be having or, or headaches or whatever you may not necessarily remember all of those things, but as you’re looking at that, that list that you’ve been keeping for, for the last couple months, you might start to say, Hey, you know, every time I’ve, I’m having a, a headache, this is something that’s happening around that same time period.
[00:20:59] And [00:21:00] you might be able to say, okay, well, every time I eat. Something, it, it causes me to have a headache. Well, okay, well don’t eat that anymore and see if that helps. And, and if it does, hey, you might’ve avoided the, the successfully avoided the doctor, which a lot of us want to do anyways, but you might’ve been able to, to just kind of eliminate that on your own.
[00:21:18] And so, you know, and, and if you, if that’s not the case, at least you have that information that you can bring to the doctor and, and maybe they can make sense of it and, and try to figure that out, Right.
[00:21:28] Diego Colon: They will be able to make sense of it
[00:21:31] because you have done a lot of
[00:21:32] the groundwork for
[00:21:33] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Right.
[00:21:35] Diego Colon: headache and migraine is,
[00:21:37] Complex Headache disorders is not always going to be a doctor’s go-to, I mean? It
[00:21:43] Scott DeLuzio: Hmm.
[00:21:43] Diego Colon: lot of sort of like understanding of like. The pattern, but once it is, that will provide an avenue of different levels of care.
[00:21:52] And someone who is taking a bunch of aspirin and just kind of powering through in a dark room might be excited to [00:22:00] learn that. There are two types of medicines. There are a abortives and there are preventatives. Preventatives
[00:22:06] are obviously for catching it before it happens, and
[00:22:09] abortives are like, it’s happening right now.
[00:22:10] Let me get rid of it.
[00:22:11] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:22:12] Diego Colon: So, so. Understanding that is gonna be a game changer, especially if a preventative works for you and you can start living your days being like, I’m starting to see Aura, I’m starting to see lights. Let me take a
[00:22:26] preventative and nip this bad boy in the
[00:22:28] bud before it turns into
[00:22:30] my day is ruined
[00:22:31] Scott DeLuzio: Yep. Yeah, it,
[00:22:34] Yeah, because like the types of migraines that I was describing that I have, so sometimes I, I do kind of catch it before it gets really, really bad and, if I, if I just go and close my eyes for 10, 15 minutes, I, I can avoid it altogether. And, and so sometimes that’s good, but sometimes I, I get stubborn and I, I’m like, no, I, I, I need to keep pushing through and I’m gonna just keep pushing.
[00:22:59] And then [00:23:00] I end up having something that’s like basically ruins the rest of the day because it’s, it’s just that bad. So it, you know,
[00:23:06] Diego Colon: Are
[00:23:08] Scott DeLuzio: listen to your body.
[00:23:09] Diego Colon: related
[00:23:10] Scott DeLuzio: I don’t, I’m not sure honestly that, that, that’s something I, I probably should try to figure out. I, I don’t have a service connection for it, but but it’s, it, it could be after looking through your, your pamphlet here there, there could be some, some things that are related to it.
[00:23:25] So, so it’s possible. And, and it’s something that I, I, I probably should. Dig into a little bit more. I know, I know. I’m, I’m preaching to the choir here. You know, I’m talking to you about that. But but it, but it’s, it’s something that, yeah, no, it’s something that I, I, you know, I, I’m, I probably am like a lot of other veterans, and I, I just never really associated that with anything else.
[00:23:46] And and now that we’re talking about this, the, the wheels are actually spinning right now. And I’m like, well, you know, there might be a, a case here. And so, so that’s something I’m, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll probably, you know, look into you know, kind of down the line here.
[00:23:58] Diego Colon: I love to hear that. I
[00:23:59] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. [00:24:00]
[00:24:00] Diego Colon: I love people learning about
[00:24:01] themselves and wanting to do better.
[00:24:03] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:24:04] Diego Colon: wanting to do something about it ’cause y’all deserve it. Y’all put in so much work Y’all
[00:24:08] did incredible service for this country
[00:24:11] Get the care
[00:24:12] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, exactly. And,
[00:24:15] and I know a lot of times veterans are
[00:24:16] Kind of opposed to going to the VA for their care and. You know what? Fine if, if the VA’s not for you, you had a bad experience with the VA and you don’t wanna go to the va, don’t, don’t go to the va If you have your own, you know, private insurance or your job or wherever, like go.
[00:24:30] Go to a doctor of some sort and get the help that you need. Like, it, it’s okay if it’s not through the va, you, you can go someplace else too. You know, just ’cause you’re a veteran. It’s not like there’s only one place that you can go. So, and I know through Operation Brainstorm you, you talked about the, the website a little bit, but you guys have a list of providers that you can search for.
[00:24:50] So if there’s, there’s a specific type of headache or migraine or, or whatever that you’re dealing with you can. Probably search form on there. Is that kind of how it works on, on the website?
[00:24:59] Diego Colon: It’s, it, [00:25:00] it can lead you to provider finders,
[00:25:02] but
[00:25:02] Scott DeLuzio: Okay.
[00:25:03] Diego Colon: of like a resource finder.
[00:25:04] Scott DeLuzio: Okay.
[00:25:05] Diego Colon: more of like a, how do I educate myself? How do I, how do I
[00:25:08] learn more Because like you said that
[00:25:11] information is kind of
[00:25:12] difficult to get to.
[00:25:13] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:25:14] Diego Colon: I, I, I, you talked
[00:25:16] about the va and I wanna talk a little bit about the va.
[00:25:18] Scott DeLuzio: sure.
[00:25:18] Diego Colon: you’re never, you’re ne you’re never gonna catch me saying a bad thing about the VA because they have so much, they offer so much and they’re doing so much good work for people. But I have been out in the field and I have spoken to veterans and I understand a general frustration with the va. really the general frustration is just sort of like. Large systems, the VA is a massive system designed to help 19 million
[00:25:44] people like it. It’s, you are only going
[00:25:47] to get out of it what you put into it.
[00:25:49] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:25:50] Diego Colon: And so what I wanted to do, and I think that, and I think that the, the, the VA can also do better but it’s dealing with a lot. So I think that’s kind of where I step [00:26:00] in, where us as National Headache Foundation steps in, I say I see a need. For, for people to get help and they don’t feel like they’re getting it from this system. And I see the system having all these amazing resources that nobody is accessing,
[00:26:16] that is the birth of Operation Brainstorm.
[00:26:18] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:26:18] Diego Colon: take all the resources from the va. ’em on our site, make ’em a little bit more accessible, a little bit more easier to understand view.
[00:26:27] We’re gonna take all our resources, be from the National Headache Foundation. And again, I work for the National Headache Foundation, but I’m just the military guy. There’s a whole, there’s a whole other other programs in here. We’ve been around for 55 years and this Operation Brainstorm military program has only been around for a little bit like two three. So like that, this, so this information is out here, and so I’m taking all of our information, all of the VA information, and just making it a little bit easier, making it Elizabeth, easier to access
[00:26:58] because the the the, the [00:27:00] care
[00:27:00] is there and the
[00:27:01] access is struggling
[00:27:03] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And there’s really no need to be struggling. You know, with, with, with anything you know, headaches or any other thing that you might be dealing with what mental health or physical health, doesn’t matter what it is that you’re dealing with. There’s, there are resources out there, and I, I’ve said this.
[00:27:20] Diego Colon: of work and
[00:27:21] nobody’s gonna do it for you is the tough part
[00:27:23] Scott DeLuzio: That is a tough part. Yes. And another tough thing that I think a lot of people have dealt with, why they are opposed to going to the VA is either they’ve heard from. A buddy who has gone to the VA and had a bad experience, they’re like, well, I don’t want to have that experience too, so I’m not gonna go to the va.
[00:27:40] They never even tried it for themselves. And maybe that, that one guy just had one bad experience and, and they’re, they’re writing off the whole system. Like you said, it’s a huge system with a ton of programs, ton of different things available to people. But you’re writing it off ’cause of one bad experience.
[00:27:56] I’ve, I’ve had bad experiences with the va.
[00:27:58] I’ve had great experiences with the va [00:28:00] and so like. One person can have multiple different experiences. I think it’s important that if you’re not getting the kind of level of care that you think you deserve or that you are expecting when you go in to maybe ask for a different provider or, or.
[00:28:16] Just kind of ask the right questions to to get yourself in there. Don’t just accept a, a no right off the bat or, or accept, you know, whatever that initial diagnosis is. If, if you, you think that doesn’t feel right, then it might not be right. And, and go ahead and, and advocate for yourself to get something better to, to kind of help you out, right.
[00:28:39] Diego Colon: Yes. The thing that I
[00:28:41] think is important for people to hang onto is that this
[00:28:44] is a process that is. Continuous
[00:28:47] Scott DeLuzio: Mm.
[00:28:47] Diego Colon: ongoing you may be doing everything exactly right. You may be following every rule you may have every
[00:28:54] journal You may have consulted multiple doctors. You may, and
[00:28:57] you might still be [00:29:00] struggling, you
[00:29:00] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:29:00] Diego Colon: be hurting. And that is tough. That is a tough reality. But I think the way that we have to fight that is. First of all, baked into service, baked into service
[00:29:15] people is is their ability to, to sort of
[00:29:18] like be each other’s battle
[00:29:20] Scott DeLuzio: Mm-hmm.
[00:29:21] Diego Colon: sort of really support each other. I can be out here, doctors can be out here non-profits.
[00:29:27] Pharma can be out here telling you this is how you fix it, this is
[00:29:30] how you fix it. But I’m gonna tell you one thing.
[00:29:32] A veteran is going to
[00:29:33] listen to another veteran
[00:29:35] before
[00:29:36] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:29:36] Diego Colon: to anybody else
[00:29:38] Scott DeLuzio: that’s right. Yeah.
[00:29:39] Diego Colon: so if you, if you can get, if you can get another veteran to sort of like understand if you can kind of like have this communication, this is kind of why on Operation Brainstorm as well.
[00:29:48] We’ve started our story sharing initiative. I got a chance to, especially at the military influencer conference. Boy, boy was I talking to people there. We got around 50 veterans this year to [00:30:00] talk to us, to tell us their migraine story so that we can kind of. Publish it and put it out on our sites, put it out on Operation Brainstorm so veterans can come in and read it and be like, oh wow, this person got their in a very similar way.
[00:30:15] Or Oh wow, this person is also a single mother living with kids and a migraine. Oh, wow.
[00:30:21] And that, that community that
[00:30:24] sort of like I’m not alone,
[00:30:26] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:30:28] Diego Colon: Energy for us, which is like part of why you is why one of our slogans is you are not alone is what’s going to, is what’s going to help you power through those moments where,
[00:30:38] That I was talking about earlier where you feel
[00:30:40] like you’ve done everything right and
[00:30:41] it’s still not working I
[00:30:43] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. And. That, that gets to be a very depressing, kind of hopeless situation where you might, might find yourself in where, where it’s like, I, I’m doing all these things. Like I, like I, I can imagine someone right now listening to this screaming at the, at the, their their phone or their [00:31:00] stereo or whatever they’re listening on and, and they’re like, I’m doing this.
[00:31:02] So you guys are, are preaching to the choir. I know this is exactly what I’m doing, but it’s not helping. It’s, I’m not, I’m not there. But, it’s not to say that you’ll, you’ll never get there. Sometimes it’s, you need to keep, keep at it.
[00:31:16] Diego Colon: is out there
[00:31:18] Scott DeLuzio: Exactly. You know, it, it’s, it’s not a hopeless situation. It, it may seem that way right now, but, you know, keep at it.
[00:31:25] Maybe it, maybe you haven’t seen the right doctor. Maybe you need to go try somebody else or, or something. I don’t know what it is that you need to do, but
[00:31:33] Diego Colon: It it’s
[00:31:34] Scott DeLuzio: keep moving forward.
[00:31:35] Diego Colon: the crazy part is it could be a lot of
[00:31:37] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:31:38] Diego Colon: like and like, and I think that’s
[00:31:39] an important mindset to have as well, is that you’re not going in
[00:31:42] thinking I’m doing this one
[00:31:44] thing
[00:31:45] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:31:45] Diego Colon: so much as like, what are the
[00:31:47] thing what are my many triggers?
[00:31:49] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:31:50] Diego Colon: I manage them? And, and, but so like, how
[00:31:54] can I manage them before something happens And once I’m in
[00:31:57] it how do I deal with it once I’m in it [00:32:00]
[00:32:00] Scott DeLuzio: yeah, exactly. And,
[00:32:01] and it may not be anything that.
[00:32:04] You’re necessarily doing to yourself. Like, I know I, I used the example of like, maybe you ate something that, that triggered a, a headache. I used that example before. Maybe it’s not anything that you’re actually doing to yourself. Maybe it’s just something that, that’s happening inside your, your, your head for one reason or another.
[00:32:20] Yeah, exactly. Like you can’t control the weather.
[00:32:23] Diego Colon: It starts to rain
[00:32:24] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, right.
[00:32:26] Tho those things happen all the time. I mean,
[00:32:28] And, and tho those, those types of headaches, and I, I know, especially as I get older, I start, I can, I can feel when it’s gonna start to rain in my back and I know it’s gonna rain. You know? It’s like, but people have that in their head too, and they, they.
[00:32:40] They can deal with those type types of you know, issues. Again, nothing that you’re doing, but like you said, there are medicines that you can take that are preventative or or, or, or things that can you know, kind of stop the headache after the fact. And, you know, maybe it’s just finding the right medication for you for tho those types of situations where you take it as needed [00:33:00] in, in, in those types of situations.
[00:33:01] So, you know what, whatever the the case may be, again, everybody’s gonna be different. Which I think makes it really difficult for doctors to really narrow in and and pinpoint. It’s not like, like, you have this one particular cause that’s gonna cause this, this thing for everybody. And, and, okay, well just treat that one, one sym that one cause and we’ll get rid of all the symptoms and.
[00:33:22] It, it, that’s not how it works, because there’s a lot of different things out there. So patience, I think is, is super important. And and, and going in with the right information, because I, I say this with, with just about everything doctor related, is that no doctor is going to advocate for you more than you are gonna advocate for yourself.
[00:33:42] And if, if you kind of quit on yourself, the doctor’s gonna quit too because the, you know, kind of the squeaky wheel gets a grease
[00:33:48] Diego Colon: Yeah
[00:33:49] Scott DeLuzio: you know, so.
[00:33:50] Diego Colon: tell people the only person who’s
[00:33:51] gonna advocate for you more
[00:33:53] than you are is A spouse
[00:33:55] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:33:55] Diego Colon: loved one
[00:33:56] Scott DeLuzio: yeah, yeah. That, I mean that.
[00:33:58] Diego Colon: have spoken to so many [00:34:00] veterans who have been like,
[00:34:01] I didn’t go in for the longest time. And then my wife was like,
[00:34:04] I should go in ’cause I’m getting headaches all
[00:34:06] the time
[00:34:07] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:34:07] Diego Colon: because she advocated for me.
[00:34:09] I got the care like,
[00:34:11] Scott DeLuzio: Right.
[00:34:12] Diego Colon: like, I’d also like to take a moment to sort of,
[00:34:14] give a little grace and understanding to the doctors and, and also like nurses, other kind of providers that are
[00:34:20] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:34:21] Diego Colon: because they’re doing their work, man. They’re, they’re, they’re working super hard. They’re trying their best.
[00:34:26] And migraine headache is a specialization to some degree. And so doctors know a
[00:34:33] lot but they might not know everything.
[00:34:35] Scott DeLuzio: sure. Yeah.
[00:34:36] Diego Colon: So even, even if you can know enough, even if you can understand enough about what’s going on with you, for a doctor to be like, oh, this might be something that is outside my sphere of understanding, then maybe that doctor giving you a medicine or a
[00:34:50] treatment or an appointment maybe a
[00:34:53] referral is what you need from that doctor
[00:34:55] Scott DeLuzio: Right. I was actually gonna say that too, because, so sometimes [00:35:00] people,
[00:35:00] depending on their insurance or, or how things are kind of set up with their, their doctors, I have to go see their primary care first before they can get a referral to somebody else, a more, more specialized doctor. And, and that’s fine.
[00:35:11] I mean, it, it might be a little frustrating ’cause now you gotta wait a little bit longer to make appointments and, and that just takes time. But, you know, sometimes that, that’s just what you gotta deal with. And so, you may go to your primary care and the primary care doesn’t know exactly what’s going on.
[00:35:25] Because while, like you said, they do know stuff about headaches, they’re not the expert on headaches, they’re, they’re kind of more of a generalist kind of, kind of thing. So Yeah.
[00:35:34] Diego Colon: They
[00:35:35] Scott DeLuzio: Asking for that. Yeah, exactly. And, and they may not catch all the, the reasons why it, it could be happening. And so, asking for that referral to the specialist who, who can help you do that is.
[00:35:48] Is maybe exactly what you need out of that appointment. Maybe, maybe that’s your expectation is I’m, I’m going into this appointment to get a referral to the, the specialist. And and not, not that I’m necessarily getting [00:36:00] relief at the end of this appointment because, you know, maybe that doctor doesn’t necessarily know what’s going on.
[00:36:04] Maybe they do and, and that, that would be great. That would be, you know, icing on the cake. But if they don’t. Okay, well, we’ll, we’ll get that referral and that, that next, that specialist will be the one who, who kind of gets me across the finish line, hopefully, you know,
[00:36:17] Diego Colon: Two
[00:36:18] One step back
[00:36:19] Scott DeLuzio: yeah.
[00:36:19] Diego Colon: a step forward
[00:36:20] Scott DeLuzio: Exactly. Exactly.
[00:36:22] Now I know you mentioned the VA and, and they have tons of programs and, and stuff, obviously you know, and more than we can even probably mention here, but I know the, the VA has like a, a headache center of excellence, I, I believe and something like that.
[00:36:35] Do, are you familiar with that and can you, can you talk about that in, in terms of like what it offers to, to folks and like, like what kind of care is, is provided through that?
[00:36:44] Diego Colon: Absolutely. Can I talk about the headache Centers of excellence? You can’t get me to shut up a bottom. I love the headache Centers of Excellence. I think they’re spectacular. There are, the Headache Centers of Excellence are a collection of hub sites and associated sites. [00:37:00] Funded by the VA to help across the country to help with spec specialization, to, to have a little bit more niche migraine headache care things.
[00:37:12] There are e this is off the top of the dome, so I hope I get it right. There are 11 hub sites and then there are fifth. 15 associated sites, and then there’s an office in DC so that is a total of 27. at the National Headache Foundation are in partnership with a fellow headache organization, the Alliance for Headache Disorders Advocacy. We did it in September, we did it. We were in, we were live in DC in March, where we go and we advocate to our representative, senators and Congress, Congress people alike for the headache centers of excellence to become expanded, to get a couple more associated sites and another hub site to just open up the level of care. we are the headache centers of excellence [00:38:00] are
[00:38:02] across the country and they are
[00:38:03] for headache specialization
[00:38:06] Scott DeLuzio: Excellent. Yeah, and,
[00:38:07] and it’s good that they have this, this program going on too because it, it, again, it’s a specialization with, with people who who know what’s going on with, with headaches. And, and it’s not like you’re, you’re stuck with just your primary care doctor. Not that, not to say that there’s anything wrong with them, but they’re, they’re not the specialist.
[00:38:29] Right. And, and so, you know, they have these affiliations with these, these doctors who are able to. To help out with headache related issues. And that level of care is what these people are looking for. You’re, you’re looking for something more than just a kind of a, a general here, take some Excedrin and, you know, deal with it kind of thing.
[00:38:51] You know, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s. It’s more in depth than that. And, and you know, may require some advanced testing and, and [00:39:00] screenings and all that kind of stuff too, which maybe, maybe not every doctor is equipped for, but places like this, I, I gotta believe, are exactly what people are looking for, right?
[00:39:09] Diego Colon: the headache centers of that, the headache centers of excellence are not for everyone with a headache disorder. It is very specialized. It is like for really difficult cases, but
[00:39:20] for those who need it Super necessary
[00:39:23] super important and we need more of em
[00:39:25] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And because even you said 27 locations, a, a, a across the country that’s not even one per state. And, and so, you know, if you’re, if you’re far away from that, that may not be necessarily feasible for you. So if getting them more, more locations in more areas, is is really huge.
[00:39:47] Especially for, for, for folks who are kind of in a rural area where, you know, it’s really hard to, to do that, you know?
[00:39:54] Diego Colon: exactly, when we were doing, when I was doing this in March we got
[00:39:58] paired up in states. So [00:40:00] I’m from Chicago, so I was representing
[00:40:01] Illinois and we were paired up with Alaska.
[00:40:03] Scott DeLuzio: Mm.
[00:40:04] Diego Colon: And something I learned about my homies in Alaska
[00:40:07] is that the Alaska has the highest per capita veteran population.
[00:40:13] Scott DeLuzio: Oh, wow.
[00:40:13] Diego Colon: 10% of their population is veterans. And so when I was going around to the representatives from Alaska, I was definitely telling them, Hey, do you know you have the high? They know this. Of course they know this. But I’m like, you guys have the highest per capita veteran population. Did you know that
[00:40:30] anyone who needs to go to a
[00:40:31] headache centers of excellence in Alaska has to
[00:40:33] take a plane to Seattle?
[00:40:35] Mm-hmm.
[00:40:35] Scott DeLuzio: Wow.
[00:40:37] Diego Colon: You
[00:40:37] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:40:37] Diego Colon: you’d had and I was like, we’re, we’re. And then I would, then I would be like, we’re
[00:40:40] pitching to have more ika sites Don’t you
[00:40:43] think Alaska should
[00:40:44] have at least one associated site
[00:40:46] Scott DeLuzio: right, right. Yeah, that,
[00:40:48] Diego Colon: Canada to get care
[00:40:50] Scott DeLuzio: right, that, I mean, that’s, that’s a, a huge commitment to
[00:40:54] I, I mean, if, if you have a job, if you have family that you need to care for, all that stuff, you, you have [00:41:00] to put all that on hold. So you get on a plane. That pretty often. And, and that’s, that’s a big commitment for some folks.
[00:41:08] And I mean, doing it once yeah, sure. But doing it several times a year, that might be too much for some people. Even just like. The cost of getting on, on the plane and flying out that way could be you know, pretty expensive as well. So, and, and finding a hotel to stay in and all those, those things that just might not be prohibitive for people to be able to do.
[00:41:28] So, yeah, definitely having stuff closer to people and, and meeting them where they’re at. Is, is definitely important. So I’m glad you guys are kind of teaming up and, and helping raise awareness of about this and expanding the the, the reach of the the organization and, and how they’re, they’re being accessible to veterans.
[00:41:46] You know?
[00:41:47] Diego Colon: Yeah,
[00:41:47] unfortunately it didn’t pass last year, but that just means that we’re gonna be
[00:41:51] back in DC in March the,
[00:41:53] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:41:54] Diego Colon: in 2026 to, to
[00:41:56] do the same thing, to talk about the same thing.
[00:41:58] Scott DeLuzio: You.
[00:41:59] Diego Colon: like different, [00:42:00] different advocacy
[00:42:01] for folks living with headache and me specifically,
[00:42:04] I’m, you know, advocating for the veterans.
[00:42:06] Scott DeLuzio: and and it, that type of thing is, is exactly what the people dealing with the headaches need to do, is they need to keep at it and not give up. And so you guys are kind of living by example here and
[00:42:18] Diego Colon: who are doing it are better than me because like I, this is, this is
[00:42:21] because a number one, this is my job. So
[00:42:23] Scott DeLuzio: yeah.
[00:42:24] Diego Colon: I am going to, to obviously represent and to obviously help people because I care. But I also, this
[00:42:29] is work. I work, I have to go to work. Everyone else that’s
[00:42:32] there is there of their free time.
[00:42:34] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:42:35] Diego Colon: providers, these are patients who are taking off work, who are taking off
[00:42:38] to fly out to DC to tell their representative
[00:42:42] vote for this
[00:42:44] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:45] Diego Colon: that is they like, I am always so happy to be there. I’m always so happy to help. I’m always so happy to be a part of the conversation, but
[00:42:53] people who takt time
[00:42:54] out of their own lives to do this
[00:42:56] is
[00:42:58] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah,
[00:42:59] Diego Colon: so [00:43:00] impressive.
[00:43:00] Scott DeLuzio: that, that’s, that’s great. That, that there’s so many people willing to give up their, their free time and and, and. Advocate for things that are super important. Before we wrap up, for a veteran who’s listening right now who wants one simple thing that they could do today to help kind of move the ball forward and, and get closer to the goal line for, for themselves what would you do?
[00:43:25] What, what would you tell them to do after they, they finish listening to this conversation? Where, where can they go to get started? All that kind of stuff.
[00:43:32] Diego Colon: I think if I’m talking to someone out there who is struggling with their
[00:43:37] headache, first of all, I wanna say to them, I’m sorry if I was too loud.
[00:43:40] I get, I get excited.
[00:43:41] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:43:42] Diego Colon: but the thing that I would say to them for sure is go to go the care, make the appointment, go check it out, get my down, download migraine buddy onto your phone so that you can track your migraines every day on your phone.
[00:43:58] You won’t lose that journal, [00:44:00] hopefully, and get the care. I, I, as I said before, like I, I could talk about sort of all of the difficulties of, navigating the treatment and what to do or who to see. But I am telling you in this moment, from what I have seen, the hardest part is walking through
[00:44:16] the door and saying, I think I’m,
[00:44:19] something’s wrong with me.
[00:44:20] I think I’m having headaches, I
[00:44:21] Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
[00:44:22] Diego Colon: migraine. So like, go to the doctor go to I, I’ll tell you what, if you, if you are out there and you’re listening and you are not, don’t wanna fly down to Seattle just yet, like go to operation brainstorm.org. go to our mission ready navigation guide.
[00:44:39] This is something that I wrote last year and it went through many, many hands. Many, many doctors took a look at my work and they we eventually published it last year. It is a CH walkthrough for like how to navigate your care, what to do, you might be able to stop after the third or fourth thing, or you might wanna read all the way through to [00:45:00] understand, but like. Read some of the stories on there. Read the mission ready navigation guide.
[00:45:07] You don’t have to go to the doctor today. Look at that stuff and ask
[00:45:10] yourself, does that look like me?
[00:45:12] Scott DeLuzio: Right,
[00:45:13] Diego Colon: like me?
[00:45:15] And if it does, maybe
[00:45:17] you might wanna get that. Go make that doctor’s appointment,
[00:45:19] Scott DeLuzio: right. Yeah. And
[00:45:21] best time to start was yesterday. Second. Best time to start is today. So just,
[00:45:25] Diego Colon: That
[00:45:26] Scott DeLuzio: do it.
[00:45:28] Diego Colon: What a
[00:45:28] Scott DeLuzio: So. Well, this, this has been great. A lot, lot of good information a lot of good resources that are available. I will have links to the, the website Operation Brainstorm and, and the, the National Headache Foundation.
[00:45:40] I’ll have links to all the, the websites in the show notes and, and all you guys information so folks can check it out. But Diego, thanks so much for coming on and joining us. I, I really enjoyed this conversation and hopefully
[00:45:52] Diego Colon: to be here.
[00:45:52] Scott DeLuzio: we have some folks out.
[00:45:54] Diego Colon: Yeah, happy to be here. Thank you for inviting me. Happy to spread the word about Operation Brainstorm, and if you’re out there and if
[00:45:59] you wanna reach out [00:46:00] to me, please email me. I’m happy to answer questions
[00:46:02] [email protected].
[00:46:04] Scott DeLuzio: Perfect. Perfect. All right, well, thanks so much and and we’ll, we’ll hopefully get some folks over to the, the website and get some folks dealing with their headaches. So thanks. Thanks
[00:46:13] Diego Colon: Absolutely.
[00:46:14] Scott DeLuzio: again.
[00:46:15] Diego Colon: you, Scott. Thank you.