Leave No Marriage Behind

Scott DeLuzio:    00:03    Thanks for tuning in to the Drive On Podcast where we talk about issues affecting veterans after they get out of the military. Before we get started, I'd like to ask a favor if you haven't done so already, please rate and review the show on Apple podcasts. If you've already done that. Thank you. These ratings help the show get discovered so it can reach a wider audience. And while you're there, click the subscribe button so that you get notified of new episodes as soon as they come out. If you don't use Apple podcasts, you can visit DriveOnPodcast.com/subscribe to find other ways of subscribing, including our emails. I'm your host, Scott DeLuzio. And now let's get on with the show.

Scott DeLuzio:    00:44    Hey everyone. Today my guest is Daniel Faust. He has served 17 years in the US Air Force and is now a relationship consultant with Learn and Live. In this role, he helps veteran couples create thriving and passionate marriages. So Daniel, welcome to the show. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do?

Daniel Faust:    01:04    Yeah. So, I was active duty 12 years and I have now been in reserves for 8, so the website is a little outdated. So, that just reminds me that the website needs to be updated. When I got married in 2006, I just totally botched up my marriage and I was like on a deployment, wrestling with a divorce while my son was going to be born a few months later. And I realized I really need to go over and fix myself in that particular regard. So I got a revelation to go over and teach the world better relationships. And from there I was like off, and my wife said slow now and you must have a plan. And I'm like, Oh, okay. So three more kids and four more deployments. And about six years later we transformed out of the service.

Daniel Faust:    01:55    I won't say transition because that is like a personal cuss word to me. We transformed out of service and went towards the civilian world. Oh, that sucked a lot. And, we almost went homeless during that time and we just learned we need to go over and really get our marriage on board. It wasn't until 2013 because 2006-2007 was the application of learning how to thrive in marriage. 2013 was actually living it out. We were just living and learning instead of learning and living. And that's when I got spiritually kicked in the nuts that day in 2013. And it was like, all right, I really need to revamp my marriage and treat it almost like we treat a deployment. We need to prepare and we need to get tasked and we need to get trained to go over and go.

Daniel Faust:    02:46    And in marriages we just tend to jump in and are like, Hey, sex will solve everything. Sure, it will. Well, it really doesn't. It's great. Like from two months to two years, that's the average. And then you go over and like, they don't brush their teeth the way I want them to, or whatever, stupid idiosyncrasies you get into and then we drive a bigger and bigger wedge. For me, I had to learn, it's like I needed to change myself. I need to stop being so verbally toxic. I needed to go over and to work through my past junk so I could have a present good marriage and a better future marriage. So, I started getting my doctorate degree and my spouse and getting my bachelor's degree into my kids and getting an associate’s degree with the coworkers and the people that I worked with. It wasn't instantaneous.

Daniel Faust:    03:30    It wasn't like 2013, boom set and done. It's been the recent of a past 18 to 24 months now. I've seen of all the work I've done and now the application of it. So we wanted to take that to the world and go over and say, Hey, instead of living and learning in your marriage and in your family and in your leadership and when you get out of the service, you hope that you survive. We want you to go thrive in your marriage and your family relationships to go over and to connect with us, so we can teach you that transformation process. And that's the first part of the transformation process that we teach is that you're not living and learning anymore. You're learning and living. Just like when you go getting ready for deployment and going on a PCS and everything else, we are going to give you the tools, the strategies, the techniques to how to grow and thrive in your marriage.

Daniel Faust:    04:17    And the great part with us is that you can still work in tandem with other people because we're consultants. So that's us in a nutshell, that we help you have a great present to have a better future. And if there's anything else that's surrounding that, then you can still hook up with counselors and pastors and other people. So, we are a conduit to get you to the resources, we help you with communication, intimacy, and then everything else. Then we connect you with those resources. Our goal is not to replicate the process where our goal is to be a conduit to the process of your thriving.

Scott DeLuzio:    04:51    Awesome. So, I know a lot of military members, just by the nature of the job, it's a stressful job, and a lot of times people bring that stress that they have from the job, they bring it home. They have a lot of different issues regarding their marriage and relationships in general, not just marriage. What are some of the common issues that you've seen with the military members and veteran couples that they face in their marriage?  What are some of the more common things?

Daniel Faust:    05:25    I would say the most common things is, and I'm not trying to dime on anybody but guys more than girls, typically we are not social, we don't talk things out. We do things shoulder to shoulder. We kind of wait until everything explodes and then we deal with it. We don't do that when we go plan our workdays. We want our workdays to be systematic, we want things to go over and flow. Chaos can happen on the war front and then we deal with it and we tend to respond. But when we get home we tend to hoard and then we react. And I would say that's the first thing is that we put the focus in the wrong place from four to 20 years or 30 years you'll be in the service.

Daniel Faust:    06:08    Well, the thing is, is that your spouse is supposed to be a partner for the lifetime. So ranging from a few moments, depending on how long you live, until 80 years, that's at least the goal for me. I want to be dead at 105 just so you know. So my wife already knows this. I'm ready to go to Jesus at that point I'm like, no, I'm too good now. We want you to thrive to that point so you can finish the race well.  And we do it the exact opposite. So that's the first thing I go over and see is that we focus on the relationships backwards, totally backwards. I'll invest in more into you as a coworker, which you could PCS in like 10 seconds or if I'm at a work site, I can interact you for like three days to a week.

Daniel Faust:    06:50    But the spouse I'm supposed to be with every single day I'm sleeping eight to 10 hours a day in the same bedroom, interacting two to four hours a day after work and I put more effort into that coworker that I might see 15 minutes. That's the first thing I see that is screwed up. And that's where we want to rewrite the script is first you need to invest into the people that are most connected to you, the most proximity. And that's how you thrive. Because if you're married, your kids are doing fantastic, then it's easy to outpour into your workflow because you already have that motivation inside you and then you have that support behind you when those chaos days come up, deployments, op orders, long hard days, exercises, or if you're in the civilian world and you have to work that hourly grind or you're an entrepreneur or a vetpreneur, that's where we want you to be.

Daniel Faust:    07:41    Invest in the right places. And that's where I see most of the problems is that they invest in there and then this is what happens afterwards. So, let's say I don't, and I do the standard typical, I invest into all my work, my wife typically or your wife or whoever, because this is what typically happens. The wife is at the home front, you're at the Warfront, you're both facing back to back. It works good for a while, but then that starts driving a wedge so you get more and then you might find your work wife or your work husband depending on what veteran's status it is. And then you start getting connecting with them and then it just drives a wedge or vice versa. The spouse at home goes over and takes care of the kids in the front and then they connect to people in the community and once you have that emotional, spiritual, sexual wedge in there, it just takes a matter of time for it to wedge in there.

Daniel Faust:    08:31    And you will either go through an emotional divorce first and then a physical divorce or sometimes it comes into sexual altercations and adultery and whatnot and walks in there and it all starts just there slowly. It's that wedge drive slowly when you don't invest that time, when you don't invest that energy. So if you invest mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and sexually, and make sure your finances are in order as best as you can, you'll thrive. The rest of the stuff will follow suit. But if you don't, and then that wedge drives, then that typically destroys it. And people typically wait. 61% of divorces, the last statistic I looked up, women usually pursue it, put it on the desk, because they feel they're not mentally, emotionally, spiritually, sexually connected in the relationship. And if that's not being at least at a satisfactory level of what they're looking for.

Daniel Faust:    09:23    And same thing for men, they look for it too. It just not as great. Then that's what typically happens. So that's where I see the problems is we need to deal with it early. We don't go deploy and say, all right, 24 hours prior, how do you fire a gun? What? You don't go fire a gun for the first time, you practiced before going out. In a marriage, sometimes there's a battlefield out there because monogamy is hard. Well, longevity is hard. If we want it to last, we need to treat it like a Warfront and we need to prepare for it.

Scott DeLuzio:    09:56    Right. And there are times people will feel like they are putting the effort into the marriage where you're supposed to, it's supposed to be a team game. You know, it's not supposed to be an individual sport, if you want to make that kind of analogy. You're supposed to work together in a marriage. And a lot of times, what I've read on this topic is that a lot of times one of the two in the relationship will feel like they're putting in more of an effort then the other person, but the other person will feel the same way. And so if you were to ask them, the two people to sit down and list maybe chores around the house, just for an example and say, what percentage do you do and ask each person separately to fill out that list almost always you'll find that the total percentages add up to more than a hundred.

Scott DeLuzio:    10:58    So it's never accurate. You know, most people will find that they believe that they're putting in more of an effort than they are. Which is an interesting thing to look at, but what you were saying in terms of, practicing and putting it in the effort into the marriage. It goes into the division of what you are putting into the relationship as well.

Daniel Faust:    11:37    I would agree with that to a point. But the thing is that it's comes from the other person. Let's really look at the topic of sex and intimacy as a perfect example. Men and women are different. They look for different desires and whatnot. If I go over and I think missionary position and I go do this and I just go fast and furious and whatnot, that might satisfy me but that's not going to satisfy my wife or vice versa. I must be a student of that person to sexually satisfy them well. Because I can go over and say, Hey, I worked at the house, changing subjects here, and did all these chores and everything. But is that to the person's liking and desires? Typically? No. So if I go over and say I'm the breadwinner, I do all this work I'm on, I'm on this and everything else.

Daniel Faust:    12:22    But if I'm not investing in them and they are looking for a mental and emotional intimacy, the finances and capability in that regard, then I'm not serving that person well. I think we get a misdirect and we go in our heads and we say, I've done X, Y, and Z this just served well. Those social norms were good, but if they are held like idols, they're like, this is the ultimate of what marriage is. I think that's wrong and a lot of times we don't sit, majority of people don't go into premarital consulting or counseling working out through those issues, so we just grind, grind, grind. We have our thoughts in our head and then we wait until explosion day and then we don't do that. One of the main reasons for divorce is not because of finances, is not for adultery, is not anything else.

Daniel Faust:    13:06    It's unspoken expectations. I have expectations of you. You have expectations of me. We never really speak it out. We get into an argument about it, but we never clarify and say, Hey, here's one of the things that I was looking for in marriage. I want to have intimacy three times a week. I don't know if I can handle three times a week or vice versa. I am like, you go say, Hey, you want to have it three times a week. I'm like, I'm like breakfast, lunch and dinner, what are you talking about? How do we go over and love and be sacrificial and learning that and then also compromising and be sacrificing? We need to have that balance. Sometimes I'm going to have to compromise what I'm looking for in that realm and sometimes I'm going to be sacrificial in that realm to go over and serve the person.

Daniel Faust:    13:49    I think that's a guard that we need to look at it from truly the other person's perspective. I had to do that with my wife because I served myself and I was such a verbal con artist in those seven years of marriage that I can manipulate and make her want what I wanted out of her, but really I wasn't letting her have her voice and have her freedom. So in that year seven spiritually getting kicked in the nuts, I'm like, dude, I am like a verbal whore. I'm just calling it straight out. That's what it was. I wrote it in my book and that was because of my brokenness. I really truly wasn't serving her. I was serving her for the purpose of her serving me and when everything didn't go, then I do the verbal con artist thing and I would verbally assault her and then make her feel bad for what she didn't go over and give me or meet this thing or emotional this or that. And it was, I truly wasn't being a servant. I really wasn't being a student of her either. And I think a lot of times we say what we're doing this, but if we honestly look at it from our perspective and we take an honest lens look and allow person to be vulnerable

Daniel Faust:   14:51    to share that, then we'll find out, maybe we're not serving in that capacity. Maybe that's the reason why. Once you start serving people in that capacity, they naturally want to serve back. If I went over and waxed and washed your car and did all these great things and what not, you're going to want to know how I can go pay you back. Well, you don't need to pay me back, but if you want to serve outside of that, that's great. We do it in dating all the time, but once we get married, we put the marriage on the trophy thing and never dust it off. And we'd go over like, wow, what the hell is that? And distance. Oh, that's our marriage. It's on the mantle. I didn't know that.

Scott DeLuzio:    15:25    Yeah, exactly.  You get back to that unspoken expectations, when, like you said, if you're manipulating somebody to try to get them to do what you want them to do, the communication is just not there. You're not explaining what it is that you want and making it easy for them to want to do it for you. You're,

Scott DeLuzio:    15:53    defaulting to a manipulation standpoint and that's not, I'll wait to have any sort of healthy relationship, if you're doing things like that.

Scott DeLuzio:    16:05    I know I am switching gears just a little bit here. I know when I was deployed to Afghanistan, it really was difficult to be able to speak with my wife. There wasn't an easy access to telephones or email communication, things like that. I know a lot of times people will be deployed or maybe not even necessarily deployed but there might be away at a school for an extended period or some other kind of training and communication might be better now.  This has been almost about 10 years ago since I was deployed. But what are some of the things that deployed or otherwise separated spouses can do to help themselves not fall apart and the marriage does not fall apart when one of them is away.

Daniel Faust:    16:56    I would say number one thing doesn't matter if you look at it from a business perspective and military perspective or a tech school or whatever it is. Number one, I orchestrate my family and this is a recommendation, not a command, so please take this, whoever's listening recommendations. You orchestrate yourself as a one income family. You can make two incomes, but when you live on one income and the second income is supplemental, the other spouse might have the freedom, if it's a state side TDY or if it is an overseas TDY, to visit during that in between time so you can go over and stem the sexual frustration, the communication, those types of things. Obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan, you can't put your wife in a Conex box and go over and send her to her husband. My wife made the joke all the time. She's like, I would stay under your bed and stuff like that and then we could have this stuff.

Daniel Faust:    17:42    I said, you would die. It's like a coffin. Wanting to be connected, but that's like, you know, morally wrong. But she was missing in that connection and intimacy. So if it's all possible, if you can stem the wounds and get the person actively involved and say, like when I was down at CENTCOM headquarters in Florida, my situation was that my second child was just born, I'm away. I went there because I wanted to shorten to deployment. It was four months instead of six months. If I were to leave after my daughter was born, I'm screwed. It's six months and I could've gone to Iraq. So I'm like, Hey, I'll go four months. Sat there for about two, three weeks, asked my wife, she's like, the spouses have not connected me, your First Sgt.’s not connecting me, the church is distant. I'm like, wait a minute, I'm getting $55 a day extra.

Daniel Faust:    18:31    I'm living in a three bedroom, two and a half bath house. I have a sexy wife with two kids stuck in a place that they don't want to be. I flew her out. So, we went over and stayed most of the time. The first four to six weeks, it was distant. But then I did that when I went to Kuwait. Well UAE, if it would have been long enough, I you make an extra thousand dollars a month. If you're in those state zones, let them go on vacations even connect. If it's obviously the longer places, you know, nowadays we have video chat, Facebook, those types of things. If you're comfortable with sexual stuff from a distance, go over and do that. They have apps and devices and whatever to keep that connection where you can. If you want to go old school, letters, that's the way to go over and do that.

Daniel Faust:    19:16    You must find a way to keep that intimacy frequency connection. It's not just about sex but that connection because just like our best friends when we're deployed, we want to talk to them every day and where we're at them 12 fricking hours a day. I'm like, want to hang out after work? I just was what your 12 hours really. If your BFF is at work and you're doing that time, then your BFF at home, which is the ultimate BFF, we should be making that time. Even in 2006 when I was deployed and wrestling with divorce, I was talking to my wife six hours a day. They're like, how'd the hell did you, that was a COM troop. So that's another thing too is when you deploy, maybe network, I mean I knew ways to get around the system and to say, Hey, Oh, you get sucky phone calls, you connect with a signal or a COM guy,

Daniel Faust:    19:59    they'll probably go home and say, Hey, call this DSN number I can get. I got unlimited calls. So I was able to call her. I was able to instant messenger, we sent letters together and even though we were struggling at that point, I was still talking to her two to six hours a day and like, you guys are like nuts. I said, yeah, maybe we are to go and help more people. I didn't see it at the time, but you know, we must find unique ways to go and stay connected. Knowing your partner before you leave, getting that doctrine degree is going to help you. Their physical touch and words. Affirmation, putting like love notes around the house so they could find all day long, you know, all through the deployment or if they're more into physical touch, you go over and let's say leave a Teddy bear, with your smell or a tee shirt or something to that effect.

Daniel Faust:    20:45    If you're having difficulty figuring that, give us a call. We do a 20 minute free chat for every veteran. First time no charge. You're like, Hey, I'm about to deploy. Give me some quick tips and tactics. I'm like, all right, well stretch and lay them out. You don't forget that mail is a great connector to go and do that. I used to work in the post office, that was my first deployment. You see people light up Christmas trees when they were getting real contextualized care packages from their spouses and not the USO one that they sent you and I don't need jerky in like 30-pound bundles. Okay. I tell these companies all the time, they say that they want to send more stuff. How about you go on and connect with them before they go and ask them what they want so you're not wasting your money.

Daniel Faust:    21:30    That's going to show heart. That's going to show love so that those are some of the ways and nowadays with all the frag and everything else that's going to keep you out of the frag for a bit. If you go deploy and you're dealing and potentially killing people and whatnot, at least you have an outside coming in to go over and stay connected with. Because when you're just staying in there, PTSD is more than likely going to set in where you're constantly in the trauma and you have no escape out and they saw it harder and then when you get out of there and you finally escape and come home, you don't know how to mentally escape back into that reality. So it's definitely key to stay connected. You must have mentally have one foot in the war, in one foot at home because your overall best front is going to be both feet back in that house and that.

Daniel Faust:    22:19    I think that's what keeps you grounded. I worked in mental health for a couple of years and even, I've always seen this world as one foot in the world, one foot in my face. And it's the same thing when we go over and deploy. I need to have one foot in the Warfront and one foot in the home front. Yes, I need to be committed. Obviously if I'm shooting people, killing people, I can't go like I'm thinking about my baby, you know? But the overall mentality is that if I don't start thinking in that realm, then I'll either get too sucked into my home front, it will be good for the deployment or I'm too sucked up into the climate and then I'm going to have repercussions afterwards when I get home. That integration is key. I'm glad the army, at least nowadays, I don’t know if it's current, but they used to send people to Germany and Hawaii before coming home so they can integrate with their spouses first.

Daniel Faust:    23:09    Okay. And that's another thing when you get back from home and before you leave, do the mental emotional intimacy connections before you leave. You know, get away from everything. Rent a hotel, go get time, get that deep connection and have a battle rhythm when you get down there and then go over when you're coming back. I don't plug into anything before I get back from a deployment. In 2011 was the last one. I don't plug into anything before I go unless the military tells me so. And it's completely asinine to go back to work, get plugged in, go two weeks, if you can avoid it. At least get a night with your spouse away from the home, away from the laundry, away from the kids, just her. Work with those Phoenix spouses or have a team to go over and get the kids watched.

Daniel Faust:    23:58    Have the extra money so you can stay connected because that's going to help you get back grounded. Because that's the person that is in a sense, your home. My favorite spot is with my wife on here (pounds his chest) and that keeps me grounded. It keeps me home. I'm not much of a snuggler, but when it comes to her, I snuggle. So don't hug me except for her. Just saying, you know, for me, don't hug. But for her that's one of my favorite spots and that keeps me grounded. It keeps me centered. And that's key for us as men and for women is wherever our ground center is, we need to stay connected.

Scott DeLuzio:    24:32    Yeah, absolutely. I know earlier you mentioned how transition is a dirty word for you and it's more of a transformation than a transition. In regards to when you get out of the military, when you come back home from a deployment and whatnot.  I never thought of it that way, the way you phrased it there, but a lot of what we're talking about are transformations. You go from being a single person to now a married person. You go from being a service member to being a veteran who's separated from the military. You go from someone who's in a combat zone, who's deployed and fighting, to someone who's coming back state side to a more civilian type life.

Scott DeLuzio:    25:29    There's a lot of transformations that occur and the transition and transformation, those two words, it's interesting. If you don't really think about the nuance between them, but when you start thinking about it, it does make sense. You are transforming and you're becoming someone new. You used to be someone who was single and didn't have a care in the world. You just had to care about yourself. And now you're basically transformed into someone who must take care of somebody else when you get married. How can it be made easier to transform when you're going through these transition periods, whether it's getting into a new marriage, getting out of the military, all of these things are all different transition periods, but what would make it easier to get through all of that?

Daniel Faust:    26:35    Well, the first thing off is what I recommend and I don't see most people do this is mentorship. Someone that's already been through the transformation process on the other end or is going through it at the same time. Your wingman, your warrior buddy, whatever; you go over and call it in your service or whatever your mindset is, you need to have that person. From going over and getting into the civilian sector and looking at the job front to going over and saying, Hey, I really haven't been a good husband when I was on active duty and I want to change that as a veteran. Now we need somebody that's gone through those steps and get that mentorship. It doesn't have to be a counselor that has to deal with your past. Obviously, if it's schizophrenia, bipolar, suicide, homicide, those types of things, yes, they're going to help you deal with your past so you can have a better present, but if your president is not doing well and you want to have a better present and a better future, you find that mentor.

Daniel Faust:    27:33    You find that consultant, you find that person that goes over and does that. Maybe it's us from Learning Live. Maybe it's a pastor, maybe it's somebody else that's gone through that transmission process. 6.8% to 8% of the population are veterans, 1% to 2% are active duty guard and reserve. There's roughly 22 million of us that were war heroes that now are super heroes and they don't realize it, but the thing is that we need to have that person, that wingman, that battle buddy to go over and to help us walk through that transformation process. It happens even in the nature in the kingdom. You don't just go over and the animals have babies and it's like up, you're off, that's it. You have that nurturing transformation process. We do that in parenting to a sense and then we do like the baby bird and kick them out of the nest.

Daniel Faust:    28:26    Sometimes you need to be kicked out of the nest of course, but at the end of the day, the bird always catches the baby, they won’t let it plummet down. We as soldiers tend to go over and pull up our bootstraps, we're all great and awesome. Doesn't matter if it's male or female and they go pull up their bootstraps and you wonder why three to six years out, we're struggling. We could have a job and we could have a still have a marriage and have kids, but we're kind of floating because we did it on our own instead of living and learning and going over and pulling ourselves by bootstraps, get somebody to do it. I wish I had that and that's why I want to be a conduit for that for people. When I got out, I went to Taps for one week.

Daniel Faust:    29:09    Yeah, that's it. One week. They're like, resume writing, all this other stuff. That's just so much information. It just didn't flow. And then I get out of the service sitting in a chair, like this, like several months later, $300, almost being homeless. I wish I had somebody that went over and said, Hey, maybe you should've gotten a part time job in between while growing this business, have supplemental cash. I went through what you were going through. That would have been great wisdom to me. That would have been very helpful. And that's what I'm saying is in these transformation processes, to have somebody that's already walked through the process. So men or ladies listening to this, if you've been through that process, try to see if you can find somebody to go over and to mentor.

Daniel Faust:    29:56    If you're the person getting out of service, find somebody that can mentor you. Because a lot of times we all find out we don't want to do it all by ourselves, but we do it anyway because we think we're alone. If anybody's ever gone dancing before and been in a middle school dance, everybody's on the wall and they're like, Oh, I want to dance, and I want to dance too. And nobody gets up and says anything. You got to be a little awkward and go over and say it. It has the older person is a quote unquote mentor and you might not know that you are one and as a mentee it might be a little awkward saying, where can I go get help? If you're doing business, SCORE is a great mentorship program. It's across the nation. There's a lot of business owners and a lot of veterans in there. Sometimes they were mixed that can help you through that and it just depends on where you're at. But don't be scared to go home and ask for the help. And if not, then if you don't have a resource, call us. We'll go see where we can connect you with. It might be us, it might be somebody else, it might be an organization, it might be an individual person or it might just be the person that's next door to you and you just didn't know. But that's what I recommend.

Scott DeLuzio:    31:03    Yeah, absolutely. And sometimes there's going to be a whole wide range of people who are going to be able to help you. I guess it depends on what that transition is that you're going through, whether it's a job transition or it's a relationship or anything like that. There's a bunch of different transitions and there's a bunch of different people who have gone through those types of things. They've experienced it. An important thing is a lot of them maybe have even failed at whatever it was that you're trying to transition through. So, they can mentor you and guide you on the things not to do because they've already done those things and know how much they don't work, and so they can help you not make those same mistakes and fall down that path.

Scott DeLuzio:    31:59    So it looks like we're coming up on time here, time kind of flies while we're having this conversation. Where can people find out more about Learn and Live and what you do if there seeking that type of counseling?

Daniel Faust:    32:16    Yeah, let me frame it again. It is consulting. So we deal with the here and now. So, if it's the past, I know it gets confusing. That's why we use the domain, militarymarriagecounselingaz.com, because most people psychologically only think of counseling. We explained that briefly on the website and we're revamping it, but militarymarriagecounselingaz.com is one resource you can find us at. You can also find us on Facebook under Daniel Faust. You can also find Learn and Live on Facebook. You can find myself on LinkedIn. You can go to IG and go for a leavenomarriagebehind. You can also look for our book, Leave No Marriage Behind, which hopefully in the next three to six months we'll have Leave No Family Behind and Leave No Veteran Behind. That's our next two books that we're working on.

Daniel Faust:    33:01    You can also find us in multitude of places. So, from Facebook to LinkedIn to Twitter to Instagram. I'm not on Snapchat. Just really don't have an audience there. Do you guys want me on there? You guys are going to have to start listening to other places. We're also starting a podcast again with Inspire News Radio. That should be up about February, March timeframe and if necessary, you can just go over and text us direct at (937) 321-0807. You're getting directly me right now. As we grow the business, we will go over and have more war hero, the superhero consultants going over and helping. And if you have a heart to go over and do this and you want to support the war heroes transforming the superheroes, give us a shout because we do a Patrion and we support about a thousand people a month in that patrion, not at max capacity of course.

Daniel Faust:    34:00    And for every thousand people we're going to need another war hero to superhero consultant as we go from grow. We got a Ted talk coming up, we've got other podcasts going up and as we grow, if you have a heart to help military marriages, families and leadership and you have those skill sets, give us a shout. We do a pretty good compensation plan. You get about 80% to take home from what the average client brings in. So if you're looking to help us grow at the same time, you have that too. So either way, if you're either looking for services or looking to grow that and you have a calling for it, just give a shout from one of those areas and usually getting me directly. So when you hit the instant messenger or whatever on one of those platforms being like, surreal dude. Yeah, I'm pretty authentic.

Scott DeLuzio:    34:42    No, that's great. And I'll put a link to all of these, your social media, your website, and everything. I'll put the link to all of that in the show notes. If you're looking for that and you're driving in the car right now while you're listening to this, don't write it down because it will all be in the show notes. You can catch that later. Thank you again, Daniel, and I am looking forward to seeing what you do with the business and all the marriages that you help.

Daniel Faust:    35:10    All right, thank you.

Scott DeLuzio:    35:16    Thanks for listening to the Drive On Podcasts. If you want to check out more episodes or learn more about the show, you can visit our website, DriveOnPodcast.com we're on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at DriveOnPodcast.