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Scott DeLuzio: 00:03 Thanks for tuning in to the Drive On Podcast where we talk about issues affecting veterans after they get out of the military. Before we get started, I'd like to ask a favor if you haven't done so already, please rate and review the show on Apple podcasts. If you've already done that. Thank you. These ratings help the show get discovered so it can reach a wider audience and while you're there, click the subscribe button so that you get notified of new episodes as soon as they come out. If you don't use Apple podcasts, you can visit DriveOnPodcast.com/subscribe to find other ways of subscribing, including our email. I'm your host, Scott DeLuzio, and now let's get on with the show.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:44 Hey everyone. Today my guest is Lyn Christian, who is the founder of an organization called Soul Salt. You might recognize Lyn from last week's episode where we talked about figuring out what your core values are, why it's important to know your core values, and how knowing all of that helps us make decisions that are true to ourselves. I'd encourage you to go back and give that episode a listen if you haven't done so already. You can find out more about Lyn and her background and what she does in that episode. Today though, we're going to talk about how we can reinvent our career paths. This episode we'll be a dive into something that is especially important to service members as they transition out of the military and back into civilian life. I think we're all familiar with the concept of reinventing a career.
Scott DeLuzio: 01:30 There's many examples of famous people who have done it. Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger were actors before getting into politics, Jeff Bezos worked in computer science and finance before launching Amazon. I could probably come up with dozens more examples like this, but we get the point. The problem though, is that it might look easy to reinvent your career when you look at some of these celebrity examples, but, it’s not always that easy. So, Lyn, welcome back to the show. Let's jump right in and talk about why people have such a hard time when they pivot in their careers.
Lyn Christian 02:05 Scott, that's a great question. And it's an astute observation that it looks easy when you see somebody else doing a jump from a career. They reinvent, they're doing something different. It looks incredibly easy from the outside, just like social media makes people look like their lives are a hundred times better than they probably are. And the truth of it is there are some dynamics going on that make it so that it's far more daunting and yet it's doable. It takes courage, it takes determination and it takes a few strategies. Here are some of the reasons why it's difficult. Number one, a lot of us don't realize, but it has to do with our neuro networks. So, imagine something that you're good at that you now don't even have to think about. Like brushing your teeth, tying your shoes, driving to work.
Lyn Christian 03:03 Those kinds of things are habits. And when we are working toward a new identity, we must think differently. We must behave differently. We must have confidence in ourselves that we can do those other things. So that's one of the biggest milestones. It's in our head. Another one is we don't always get into the prefrontal cortex, which is the executive brain right here behind the third eye chakra in your forehead and see what else is possible. We see other people doing things, but we're not often encouraged to see what's possible for us. And if we do see what's possible for us, we often then critique it immediately. Well, I don't know how I can make a living at that. And so, a lot of it is really, it sounds trite, but it's in our head. We really mess ourselves up with our thought patterns. So that's one thing. How's that?
Scott DeLuzio: 03:59 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I think you probably could narrow down quite a few problems that we have, just people in general, it's in your head and you psych yourself out sometimes trying to figure out how to do these things. I'm no stranger to reinventing my career since I started working at age 16 over 20 years ago now. I've had about 11 different jobs. Now some of those were temporary like beer money type jobs during college, so maybe it's not fair to include those in the mix. Others were working concurrently, so it's not like I just worked for a year or two and then quit.
Scott DeLuzio: 04:43 The other jobs that were more professional jobs that people start working at right after college and they stick around sometimes throughout retirement. They have that one job for their entire career. For me though, I became dissatisfied with the work that I was doing. I started to lack the enthusiasm for the job, and it became harder and harder to get out of bed in the morning to go to work. I know I made some mistakes when reinventing my own career when I was changing those jobs. What are some of the mistakes that people oftentimes make? Maybe even incorporate how someone's values tie into this whole equation?
Lyn Christian 05:27 Well, let's talk about the mistakes first and what to do about them. And then let's talk about the core values. Is that okay? So, one of the mistakes that we make is what you just mentioned. A lot of people don't do what you just did, Scott. Sometimes you must look back to look forward. So, if you look back and go, “Oh look, I did this when I was 16. I did this when I was 17.” And you just discounted that you did something because you just need a beer. Okay. That is a skill to be able to just say, I'm just going to go get a job because I need some cash. That's a skill you can use during reinvention because even though you may not make a jump from where you are right now to that perfect landing spot, that will be your next career.
Lyn Christian 06:13 You're going to need what I call bridges and ladders to get you to a place where you're earning an income and you have some space where you can start to reinvent. So, if you look to your past for the very first time you had a job to where you are now, you can see that you've done many things. Even if you've only been in the army or if you've only been with one corporation or you've only been with three, what were some of your roles? You didn't stay stagnant and the fact that you were able to transform. That's one of the mistakes we make is not seeing how adaptable we are as human beings and not realizing that within each person are many possible selves. The self that shows up in his bartender is oneself. The self that is willing to go and volunteer at a preschool and help children learn how to make kites is another self.
Lyn Christian 07:08 So you, you look at these possible selves instead of thinking, I am this one person and maybe I can do 12 things with my life, it's like, you're many sorts of opportunities inside of you because you have strengths, you have values, you have aspirations, you have a number of things. It's like a big giant gumball machine full of different material that could be dispensed and put together to form a new shape. And you could do that shape for five years and then you go back to the drawing board and you want a different color in a different shape to do something else for 10, so that's one of the mistakes. Another mistake is thinking, so I've been in the army and I did this and this and this. Now I don't know what to do with myself. Well, college students are a lot like that.
Lyn Christian 07:53 Attorneys are a lot like that. It's hard for you to spend so much time getting trained. And then thinking that that leads to a linear path. I learned this skill and this skill and this skill. So now this is what I can do. We think that's a linear path and to prove that, I'm just going to give you some majors that people could study in college and a job and you just tell me, Scott, does it make sense? It wasn't a linear path from what they studied to what they ended up doing. So, one individual studied art. Would it make sense that the job they could have is to be a cartoonist?
Scott DeLuzio: Sure.
Lyn Christian: Another person maybe studied Asian American studies. Would it be plausible that they could teach English as a second language in Korea? Okay. Make that connection. Okay. Another person who studied chemistry, could you see them going on to be veterinarian?
Scott DeLuzio: 08:57 Potentially. There probably would need to be some additional studies there. So, I mean there in the sciences, so I can, I can see that.
Lyn Christian 09:08 A psychologist, somebody who studies psychology could become a psychotherapist. Could you see that?
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
Lyn Christian: And somebody who studied geography could become a high school geography teacher, certainly. So now that makes sense. And that's how we think. That's one of the mistakes we make is thinking we must connect the dots in this linear pattern. But the truth is the person who studied art ended up as a special prosecutor in a district attorney's office. The person who studied Asian American studies became a bond trader on wall street. The chemist decided they didn't like the sciences. They went to Korea and started teaching English. The geography major became an editor at a major publishing house. The psychologist became the cartoonist in political cartoons. So yes, so that one came out of a little bit out of left field, but you can still see that and so, with the mistakes we make is being too logical.
Lyn Christian 10:14 The thing we want to do is instead of being logical, be experimental. In the path of re-invention, a mistake we make is thinking our way there. If I just think hard enough, I just did stay in my head long enough, I'll figure it out. The truth is you must experiment with it. You must discover; you must not know. You must be like a kid, go into the toy room and play with some of the toys and see which ones you like. Go to the smorgasbord and taste some of the food and see which ones you like. We must experiment and discover and not know, before we can finally have it distill upon us what's that next move? So how do core values come into this? Core values play a big part because they can stand as your anchor. Those can stand as a compass. You wouldn't even want to start exploring fields of study, crafts, trades or you wouldn't want to look at job opportunities that pull you out of your integrity.
Scott DeLuzio: 11:17 And that's a good point too, because you might be looking at a job where, I don't tend to get into politics here, but you might think of someone who has
Scott DeLuzio: 11:33 a skill. Maybe it's in marketing or something like that. And there's a political campaign that goes against their beliefs and their values that's hiring a marketing director type person. That wouldn't make a great job because it's going to eat them up inside that they're promoting this candidate that is against all the things that they are for or vice versa. And that probably wouldn't be a great opportunity. They wouldn't be very fulfilled or very happy with that type of job. It's hard too because a lot of times people put on their work face and then their home face and then their friend's face and they have all these different personas, and they tie all of that into who they are. It's hard when you do that; when you're trying to juggle all these different personas, it's much easier if you're just being true to who you are, just keep that active.
Lyn Christian 12:42 Well, I was going to say that in the end, your values are adaptable. So, they're multifaceted. There's only a limited amount of jobs you could do that if you really know your values, you can see ways that your values might adapt to another, even it's a bridge job for a short term. Like I have a client who stopped becoming a professional piercer and he has a dream to open a coffee shop. So, he's working at a local bar that is known for their beer and burgers. And he is in alignment with working there because he knows that it's hospitality and he's learning something for the future. So, he can see he's aligned, and he didn't even think that his values would fit in because he doesn’t drink, would fit into a bar and burger joint in the interim. But he's learning the hospitality and what it's like some day to be a barista. Well, they've now asked him to be a bartender. So, he's elevating himself because he can see a connection between what he values most and what they need from him.
Scott DeLuzio: 13:58 I like the examples that you gave earlier too about the different careers where you wouldn't necessarily see some of these people making that jump from one career to another. I'm thinking of myself in this where if you looked at me back when I was in college studying for an accounting degree, you wouldn't expect that I would have become a soldier. I do web development and software development, and none of that has anything to do really with the degree that I earned in accounting. I was able to take some of those leaps and experiment, like you're talking about to figure out what
Scott DeLuzio: 14:46 I was good at and what I enjoyed doing. Throughout my career, which I'm fortunate that I was able to make some of those leaps, but the first job I had out of college was in accounting. It was for a CPA firm. And towards the end of my time at that job, I didn't think too far outside of the box to try to figure out what my next move would be. I ended up in corporate finance. So it wasn't that big of a stretch, you know, it was still in the financial area. So, I wasn't thinking much further than that general realm of finance, which is significantly limited. The type of jobs that were available to me. Had I thought something a little bit broader, I would've had a lot more jobs that were available to me.
Lyn Christian 15:40 Well, Scott, can we break that down just a little bit? So, another mistake that we make when re-inventing, and I know you know this, you've done it. I've done it, I've reinvented at least seven times. Here is one of the main things that people get concerned about. They get worried that they're wasting their time, their energy and their money that they put into their degree. When you see where you are right now, do you feel like you wasted your education?
Scott DeLuzio: 16:11 No, not at all. As a matter of fact, without that, I don't see that I would have gotten to where I am because there's more to it than just, but the numbers and accounting that you learned there. You learn a whole lot more by being in school and getting that education. So, then the work experience that I gained over the years too, working for various companies and seeing how they're run helped me now as an entrepreneur to run my own business.
Lyn Christian 16:44 Yeah. And can we go deeper into that? So, another example for people that are listening within your own story, really great example of what I'm talking about. When I go back to that gumball machine. So, we sometimes make a mistake that we get into a mindset that we're just poured into this mold. Like you could have said, okay, I studied accounting, so it makes sense. I'm working with a finance company, but really when we go back to where you were in those classes, there's a part of you that's deliberate, a part of you that can slow down and see the details part of you that can use analysis and logic. Would you agree?
Scott DeLuzio: Yeah.
Lyn Christian: And they afforded you the opportunity to understand the field of accounting and to work in the world of finance. We go back to those seminal pieces of you deliberate, probably see patterns as well, logical. All those things that we just mentioned are feeding your ability to work in web development. So that's what I'm talking about is when we look at ourselves as possible cells instead of jobs or roles or some kind of name on an org chart for what your title was, and we'd go back to what are you able to do? How do you think, how do you respond? Those seeds can always translate into something. Does that make sense?
Scott DeLuzio: 18:12 Yeah, I think so. I think a lot of times, when you're talking about that mold, I think that's a good example where people feel like they must fit in this mold. A lot of times people sort of feel like they become tied to their identity of what they do. This might go back to the point of why people have a hard time when they try to pivot in their careers, but people will say, I'm an engineer and I'm an electrician. I'm a plumber. The same way that they might say I'm a human. That last one you can't change. But we think of our careers almost in the same way where we tie that to our identity. You know who we are, we don't feel like we can change it no matter how miserable. Maybe we might even be with the job that we're doing, but we feel like we're stuck because I am that plumber or accountant or lawyer or whatever the job may be. So, how can we break that bond between our career and our identity? How do we allow ourselves to let go of that?
Lyn Christian 19:16 Yeah, there's probably an answer for that for every person because we can do it in a unique way, but I can give strategies and then people can apply this. One of the ways to give yourself some time, I call them the three Rs of reinvention. The first R is revealing your best self to yourself, identity, your core values. And when I say best self to yourself, it's like, when did somebody give you a challenge, a formal challenge and you took it on, and you beat it? What was it activated then? That's a reflection of your best self. Maybe there were challenges that were informal. Maybe you had a friend and you were supporting them, and you guys understand, let's say for you for instance, Scott, you understand what it's like to transition after being in the services. So, you go to show up for this friend because she's giving a speech at a local community event and you find out she has laryngitis and she writes on a napkin, please tell them, please speak to them.
Lyn Christian 20:20 You do the speech and you find out that you really love it and that you were good at it and people got value. Suddenly you see another part of you, maybe you see that you can think on the fly or maybe you're passionate about the topic, whatever it reveals to you. So, the first step is spending time revealing identity to yourself. Noticing when people have acknowledged you and giving you praise and noting that notice when you felt strong and you want to go do more activities like that. Keeping a list of pieces of you that are your best reflect itself. In fact, it's such a thing as RBS reflected best self. Not, maybe you can with RBF, which is something else, but RBS is reflected best self. And then after you've reflected on that, take those elements and go to the next R, which is research, which can take the form of an experiment, a discovery and adventure.
Lyn Christian 21:16 Go out and do something. Go volunteer. Take a part-time job, pull out a project. I have a reinventor right now from France and she's making a small project out of creating a product she's going to sell at a local farmer's market, and she may even get some crowd funding for it. So, she's experimenting with this piece of her that is making a product that has a cause and her entrepreneurship. So, she's out there playing with this microcosm, she just has a DOB. She doesn't have an entity, a business. She doesn't know if she's going to be an entrepreneur. She has a full-time job. So, she's researching, experimenting, discovery. And then after you do that, give yourself some reflective time. Sometimes we don't know who we are until we see what we've done and sometimes we need people to reflect to us what was the value of what we did?
Lyn Christian 22:09 Who did you see active? How did this help you? So, we do some reflection. We go back and put this all together, add it to what we know about ourselves. Have another revelation of what else we can do or how to extend that first experiment and then do another cycle of research and reflection. So, it reveals something to yourself. Let it occur to you. Do some research through experimentation and trying even going to finding other people. I have someone who reinvented into, she now owns a pole and dance studio. What happened was she saw a pole dancer that was competitive who was earning a medal at a competition and she was like, I'm going to use my gymnastic and my dance background and I'm going to do that someday. I'm going to be number one. And she did. She was in five years later, she worked up to becoming the gold medalist at a United States event in pole dancing.
Lyn Christian 23:04 Today, she has a studio. So, she had to reflect, and it wasn't some piece of herself that she reflected at 10% of our goals may come from seeing somebody doing something that interests us. So, she put some attention toward that. She did research on it, she played with it. She accomplished something. She came back and reflected and went, what does that tell me? Should I keep competing? No. Now I want to put my dance and my pool together and create a studio. So, it's a cycle where you do months, years. I mean, honestly that's another mistake that we think we can just do it in a snap. You can get a bridge job in a snap, but to reinvent the fastest, I've had a reinvention client do it as six months. And you can imagine why you don't want to just jump out of the frying pan into a fire and find out the next thing you jumped into; you don't like any better.
Scott DeLuzio: 23:56 Right. Yeah. And I think that was maybe one of the mistakes that I made at least during one of the career transitions that I made was, it was more that I was running away from a job that I didn't like than it was me running to a job that was offering a more promising career for me or a better experience, better work environment, whatever the issues were that I had. It was probably more of running away from the old job and just whatever's available, let me grab this. It was very much like jumping out of the pot right into the fire. It turned out it wasn't much better where I was going.
Lyn Christian 24:47 and, you know, maybe we can reframe that. Maybe it was a mistake and maybe it was just a reiteration. I'm sure, I don't want that work life.
Scott DeLuzio: 24:56 There's certainly positive aspects of that. I was able to reaffirm basically that that was not the type of type of work that I was interested in. It was a similar job for a different company, but it wasn't exactly my cup of tea and it wasn't what I wanted to be doing. So, at least I know now, not to make that same mistake again. There's certainly a positive spin to that that we can take away from there.
Lyn Christian 25:31 Well and that's a good point too because we are going to make some miss fires. Like one of my jobs was to become a real estate agent because I thought I could do it on the side, earn some more cash, still raise my children have my day job. And when I got into it, I couldn't know until I listed and sold three homes just like that. Really quickly. I really didn't like it and I didn't want to be on call by people. So, I could have said mistake. However, I learned I could be really good at taking tests and getting through a course part-time, which helped me later on to get my PMP, my project management certification later when I needed that to raise my kids with the project management office. So, I think that's the other thing is to your audience, if you have the growth mindset and you don't see things as failure, but you see them as, I didn't reach my goal yet. The warrior in you must always be learning. And if you go in, and I know this from my own combat arts as a fencer, the warrior in us must constantly learn. If we go in just to win and think there's a win or a loss and we will land on one side or the other, we limit to the opportunities of what every experiment gives us. So, approach every experiment, every part of reinvention, like the warrior as a learning experience, not a win-loss.
Scott DeLuzio: 26:55 That's a great way to think of it. Everything good or bad, we can learn from whatever experiences you go through. They could be complete and utter failures on the surface, but if you don't learn something from it, if you don't succeed at whatever it is that you try and you don't learn from that mistake and you go and you do it again, kind of like I did when I switched that career, you know that probably wasn't the best outcome. But now that I've learned from that, I was able to take that away and now I'm able to have that positive side to it where I at least have that knowledge now knowing that that's not the career path I really want to go back to down the road.
Lyn Christian 27:53 yeah,
Scott DeLuzio: 27:54 Let's go now to more specific to the service members, the military people who are now transitioning out of the military, their time in the service is over. Now they're becoming civilians all over again. I've talked to several veterans on the show who've struggled with that same transition and they felt like they couldn't let go of that past that they've had in the military. They struggle to find that new career. What is it that I'm good at? As an infantryman, there's no real civilian job that directly correlates, like we were talking before with the college degrees and the jobs, an artillery man isn't exactly going to have a civilian occupation that's going to have the same type of qualifications or whatever. You do learn a hell of a lot when you're in the military. And it's more than just your job. So, what would be some of the advice that you might have for people who are reinventing themselves, transitioning from that military to civilian career?
Lyn Christian 29:21 One thing I would do is to make a one pager. I'm borrowing this from a gentleman who was a drug dealer and smuggled drugs globally. He oversaw millions and millions of dollars of budget. International security could hack international codes. I'm working with people across the globe and finally he spent time in prison and when he got out, his wife was like, you need to go get a job. You're driving me crazy. And he said, who's going to hire me? I mean, I don't know how to do anything. I've spent time in prison, so if somebody is limited, that guy, you could see logistically why he might feel limited. His wife gave him a challenge that I'm going to give your audience, I'm going to modify it. The challenge is just a little bit, she said, go ahead and list out all the things that you can do.
Lyn Christian 30:14 Like you did run a budget. You did hack NSA, you did do this, you did do that. And so, what he did is he put it together and then they posted it. I think it was in Toronto. They posted it in the Toronto Post or their big newspaper and he had like 1600 people calling him wanting to hire him. So, here's the modification. Take all these things that you know you can do, pieces of your identity. Don't try to put them into a career. Do what this guy did. Place them as skillset, talents, things that you like, things that you've been told you're good at and make a one pager and then meet somebody for coffee or meet somebody for lunch or post it on your Facebook page and say, if you were in my shoes, who would you talk to?
Lyn Christian 31:06 I need to find a job or I need to do some sort of reinvention, who would hire me? Because other people's imaginations will see your possibilities. I even think attorneys who have been working a while, I've recently worked with a trademark attorney who was just, I call it almost crippled in the brain like we can be when we've only done this in the army. We've “only” been in the army. It's like, oh hell, don't say that to me. That's not an only, you know the character, the courage that goes behind that. You can't train that, that comes with you. And that's more valuable to me than skill. So if we get into those mindsets where we can only do this thing, we don't see opportunity, it's just as hard for this patent attorney to reinvent as it would be for somebody coming out of the army because your brain's in that hamster wheel of, I can just do this and I'm really good at it and I can earn money doing this, but now I can't because I want to do something different.
Lyn Christian 32:11 So create a one pager, get other people to talk to you about it. Another thing you can do is join a group that's reinventing because they may know other things. Soul Salt, we have groups. We have one happening right now where people come in and we hold their hand for 30 days at a time and they create, right now we're just working on identity. What else do you have in there besides the things that you thought you've always used day in and day out? Who are you with your core? We spend 30 days on that. The next thing we're going to do is spend 30 days on finding out what we're good at and strong and we're going to start spending the next 30 days doing experiments with those things. So, your eyes could do that just from hearing me 30 days, revealing identity.
Lyn Christian 32:55 Find those core values. Go back to the last episode. Get in the show notes, find out how to do that. Then find out what are your strengths, where are you strong, where are you working from? And I'm using this metaphorically from muscle where you love doing what you're doing and you're good at it. And then the third, next 30 days, spend some time putting experiments together based on those things that you found out about yourself. Try some ludicrous things. I once had a managing editor from Reuters of North America, decided that what she was going to do, because she had been a journalist, but she loved paper, she loved writing. She decided to make cards. So, she spent a year in her reinvention making cards. She still makes cards and she's founded, a volunteer group that makes cards for people, shut ins during the holidays. That's not sustaining her with her livelihood, but that became a hobby that she found. So those are just some ideas. Does that help Scott?
Scott DeLuzio: 33:57 Yeah, I think it does. I want to go back to something that you said here, sometimes people have that mindset of “I was just in the military or they don't think of all the other things like outside of their job, whether they're military police or they're in finance or whatever their job is in the military. They don't think outside of that. All the other experiences that they had. I've given the example of someone who might administer it like a drug test, like a urinalysis test as part of their job, they might be something else that's not their specific job, but they were part of the group of people who were administering that test while in the military, right.
Scott DeLuzio: 34:57 That goes to show that they had integrity, that they can be trusted because they're not going to allow somebody to cheat on that drug test and that they had those types of values. So, you know, thinking outside of the box of all the other things that you've done, sometimes you might sign out military equipment that might be worth millions of dollars, and so you're responsible for millions of dollars’ worth of military equipment, whether it's a vehicle or some other equipment. You can be trusted with that type of stuff. So, I think that's a big thing to include in that list. Stuff like that where you look at all of the different things that you have done throughout your career, no matter how small you might think they are, signing out a vehicle that might have $1 million worth of equipment in it might just seem like, well, I'm just doing my job well, so what, you're doing your job but you know, you also are responsible for that equipment as well, you know?
Scott DeLuzio: 36:10 That's a big thing and I think people undervalue that aspect of the military experience.
Lyn Christian 36:17 Yes. I think so too. And I want your audience to hear this. Those of us in the civilian work world, look at what you've done and when you breakdown, I mean, those things sound really bad ass to us. They're not even thinking, maybe even dream somebody did. We didn't even think about it. And it's like, Oh, well that's cool. Well, if you can manage a budget there or if you can be trustworthy to handle those tests. Yeah, there's something inside of you. Let's look and see what we might have in our company that would fit. It's like the prophet is always rejected at home and we reject our own profitability in what we've done in the past in the army, because we can't see the link between what we did and somebody else has seen some value. So, you must get out of your own way. Because again, I'll tell you as a civilian, anytime I talk to a veteran and they tell me the things they did, I'm like, Whoa.
Scott DeLuzio: 37:21 It becomes commonplace because it's just what everyone does when they're in the military, and that's unfortunately the attitude that people end up having is, Oh, it's just part of the job. And so of course I did that because I had to, that was my job at the time. Don't undervalue it, I guess is the message that I'm trying to get across there. So, Lyn, it's been great having you on the show again. We're coming up on time and it seems like time just flies by when we get to talk. Could you remind people where they can go to find out more about you and your organization, for anyone who maybe didn't listen to the last episode?
Lyn Christian 38:07 Yeah, so we can be found on our website, which is SoulSalt.com. We're in Salt Lake City. You can find us online on our website. We do have a lot of blogs about reinvention. You can follow us on Instagram or Facebook. And you can also follow me, LYN and Christian, I'm mostly on Instagram, but I do occasionally post on Facebook. And then every Tuesday morning, nine o'clock, typically mountain time, we do a Facebook live. We've talked often about some of these topics that I'm talking to you about. If you miss those when it's live, you can also go back and just find them on our Facebook page. And you also have a SoulSaltCoaching. We have a YouTube channel that people could subscribe to and get our latest videos.
Scott DeLuzio: 39:02 Perfect. And we'll have links to all of that in the show notes, and so that you can click there and go subscribe and find Lyn in all the places on the internet that she hangs out. So, thank you again for being on the show and I look forward to talking to you again soon.
Lyn Christian 39:18 My pleasure. Thank you.
Scott DeLuzio: 39:24 Thanks for listening to the Drive On Podcast. If you want to check out more episodes or learn more about the show, you can visit our website, DriveOnPodcast.com we're on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at DriveOnPodcast.