Warrior Monk – Living a Balanced Life
Lance Radford is currently serving in the US Air Force. Prior to enlisting in the Air Force, he studied molecular biology at the University of Central Florida. Lance talks about his experiences, his podcast the Warrior Monk, and living a balanced life in this episode.
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Scott DeLuzio: 00:00:21 Hi everybody. Welcome back to the Drive On Podcast. Today my guest is Lance Radford. Lance is currently serving in the US Air Force and prior to enlisting in the Air Force, he studied molecular biology at the University of Central Florida, he is with us here today to talk about his experiences, his podcast, The Warrior Monk, and Living a Balanced Life. So Lance, welcome to the show. Why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background?
Lance Radford: 00:00:46 Yeah, absolutely. Scott, thanks for having me on the podcast. You were just on mine and now I'm on yours. So, it's cool to do this kind of podcast swap thing. It's one of my favorite things to do with fellow podcasters. Like you said, I'm an Air Force guy. I'm actually a Reservist now. I switched over from active duty in January to being a weekend warrior. Like you said, before I went in the military, I was a “nerd,” graduated from the University of Central Florida to a degree in molecular biology all the way back in 2010. And I was just kind of one of those people that, like I guess a lot of American kids, was told to go to college, get a degree, and then everything for you in life is going to be kind of sorted out.
Lance Radford: 00:01:28 And I got about three-quarters of the way through my bachelor's degree and figured it out. I don't actually like what I'm doing and I was kind of too close to the finish line to back out of it at that point. I went and got finished up and then I worked in the biotechnology industry for a year and just really felt a call to do something different with my life. No one else in my family had served in the military, but I just really felt a calling to do it. I wanted to do something to give back and to serve and didn't really know exactly what I wanted to do. And of course, like a lot of people, I'm a why guy, and I'm a very analytical person with a science background.
Lance Radford: 00:02:05 So I went through each branch and kind of looking at the plus and minuses of each and I just ended up settling on the Air Force. Just like most people will tell you, the quality of life and living in the Air Force is just a little bit better. They have some really cool jobs in the Air Force too. So that's direction I went and I planned on only doing four years and kind of doing my time and then getting out and using my GI bill and continuing on with school or something to that nature. And four years turned into nine and ended up being a whole, basically a whole other career. I was a security forces guy. So for anybody who doesn't know, in the Air Force, security forces are basically our MPS for the Air Force doesn't inherently have an infantry model.
Lance Radford: 00:02:51 So we're pretty much the closest that we get trained on a lot of the small unit tactics as well as having a heavy weaponry and of course, marksmanship with an M4 and sidearms and things of that nature. So any airbase you go to in the world, there's a defender there sitting at the gate or right in patrol along the flight line or along the base fence line standing guard is century. And then the last five years of my active-duty time, I really was fortunate to spend time in the Air Force Special Operations community, which I worked in the Dagger teams’ deployed aircraft ground response element and became a Dagger team leader. And we basically work a small two-to-five-man teams to provide mobile security element for our Air Force assets, whether that be the actual aircraft or our aircrews and pilots in some of the more shady parts of the world. So I had had a lot of fun doing that the last five years. And like I said, now transitioned over to being a reservist. So that's kind of my last decade and a half of my life in a nutshell.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:03:52 Nice. You know, you mentioned you were a bit of a nerd before joining the military and you know, with a science degree and things like that, but I had gone to college myself for accounting, I kind of feel your pain there. And when I joined the military, I enlisted despite already having a college degree just like you. And oddly satisfied, I think that I'm not the only one out there who made that decision to enlist after graduating with a college degree. So what led you to enlist versus becoming an officer?
Lance Radford: 00:04:36 Yeah, that is a good question. And much to the dismay of my parents. I really was insistent on enlisting and the reason really for that at its core was I just didn't really understand. I wanted to lead, I wanted to get a chance to lead people. I think that was one of the skillsets that I've developed the most since being in the military and having the opportunity to do that has been one of the joys of being in the military as a non-commissioned officer. But the thing I really didn't get is how do you expect warriors, who've been at it for 5, 10, 15 years to respect a Lieutenant, someone who's just got no life experience outside of college. How do you really expect them to respect that person and to let them lead?
Lance Radford: 00:05:28 And of course, I didn't really, like I said, I'm not from a military family, so I didn't really understand culturally how being a Lieutenant works. Lieutenants really don't get that much respect in the military or those 02’s really are looked at like little baby officers. Of course, we're respectful as enlisted people and they get, yes, sir, no, sir, and yes, ma'am, the no ma’am's, but you know, the enlisted members that aren't super green now that LTS is holding the map upside down and it's okay, we're going to help them out kind of thing. But that was really it, I really wanted to get experience and I'm not afraid of blue-collar work ethic.
Lance Radford: 00:06:11 Like I said, being a nerd. Yes. But I'm just one of those people who's not afraid to get my hands dirty or get my feet wet. I have plans to commission and who knows, I don't know where, I'm still young enough where I could still kind of commission and serve as an officer within the reserves that may or may not be in my future. I've loved my time as an enlisted person. I mean, we really do have more fun, whether it's getting more time on the range, I didn't want to fly a desk and that's what a lot of the officers do in the Air Force. Even our pilots at certain points get pulled out of the cockpit and put behind, like I said, flying a desk. So that's been the real motivation for it.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:06:50 Yeah. And I was actually waiting for you to fill us all in on how they do get respect, but I think you hit the nail on the head that they are treated like the little kids in the military. I think that's probably across all the branches. Anyways, so it's definitely interesting and you're right. Like before you get into the military and are exposed to that culture, you don't really understand. You think that the officers are placed on this elevated status and that they're on this untouchable kind of pedestal or whatever, but it's not necessarily true. Like they are people like everyone else and they make mistakes. And especially when they're fresh out of college, they don't know anything really other than what they've learned in the classroom, which is not really all that relevant a lot of the times.
Lance Radford: 00:07:51 And there's exceptions out there too. I've met some lieutenants that were prior enlisted you know, there are out there, but you know, those biases, those stigmas about the Lieutenant, they exist for a reason.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:08:05 Right? Yeah. I mean, there was a guy that I served with and he was on his way to the OCS and something happened. He didn't end up going there, but we always called him, sir. And we all just always call him, sir, just to get under his skin, you know? We knew that his mind was in that direction, but he was like, no way, I don't even want to get promoted to U5 I'll stay at U4 for the rest of my career. I don't care. Like I'm not going any further than this. So, it's kind of funny, but so Warrior Monk podcast, where did that name come from and what is kind of the thought process behind all of that? Where'd you come up with all of it?
Lance Radford: 00:08:55 I can't take credit for it being a really original thing. We talked about on my podcast that the term and a lot of people obviously are going to think of you know, General Mattis having that nickname for being The Warrior Monk. But for me, I decided to really open up this path for myself when I just was having a really tough time while in the military. And I came back from Afghanistan and I was going through a divorce and I didn't really know what I was going to do with myself. I had that same week that my ex-wife notified me that she wanted a divorce, the Air Force said you're moving to North Dakota, which is about 15 hours away from my closest family members.
Lance Radford: 00:09:44 And it just seemed like everything for me was going in the wrong direction. I was fortunate enough that I didn't have enough time on my contract to be forced to move. So I decided this was just going to be a transition point for me to step away from the active-duty side of the military. I just knew, for me, that was like a horrifying thing, right? And we're looking at nine years now being active duty. And I have been pouring a lot into my lifestyle as a military member working in the Air Force Special Operations, which is where I really wanted to be from day one stepping into the military. I was like, somehow, I want to work within the Special Operations community. And it wasn't even so much about doing the sexy stuff, like jumping out of planes and you know, the night vision goggles and shooting guns with suppressors and all that kind of stuff.
Lance Radford: 00:10:35 For me, it was working with high-caliber people. That's like one of the most important things for me is being able to work in an environment where the people around me are actually better and they're pushing me to try to be a better person, right? Like I need to keep up with these people around me, I'm working with the best of the best type of thing. And I've worked with that community, whether it's been our Air Force special tactics guys that I've worked with, some of our aviators that are like world-renowned, like talking about dudes and dudettes that can land on a dirt strip runway in the middle of nowhere under MVGs on sometimes minimal sleep or whatever the conditions are. But so getting to work in that community was amazing.
Lance Radford: 00:11:15 But for me, realizing I was going to transition away from this, for us veterans transitioning is like an identity thing. I was like, well, what am I, how am I going to keep this part of me alive, but also work on transitioning. And the life lesson for me had been really been kind of, let's just go down one path too hard, the other, and not finding the balance. Like I said before coming in the military, I was super sucked into the science world and that kind of became really my identity and I was not physical at all. Like me trying to train up to do my first PT test and get into the Air Force was actually like super daunting for me. I'm in really good shape now.
Lance Radford: 00:11:59 Once I kind of learned the pieces of it, I've done well with my physicality, but man, getting there after just four years of college of like eating ramen and staring at a computer screen and pipetting cells up and down, I wasn't a physical specimen or anything like that, getting ready for it. And then transitioning now thinking about 10 years down the road and I've been in the military and devoted everything to being a warrior, I realized that my fault has been in not learning to keep a balance between the two. And that's really the premise of where my podcast came from. It's like, well, let's have conversations with people about bringing your life into balance and not going so far down the road one way or another, not really letting yourself absolve completely into only one aspect of yourself. And the premise of the show, the tagline of the show of the podcast is Personal Growth Through Balance. And that's really what it's all about. Sometimes you got to be a warrior, but sometimes you got to be a monk too, and you got to go personally seeking some of these things to help shape and mold and grow these different aspects of the self.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:13:10 Uh that's a lot. Yeah. And I think looking at those two sides of someone, the warrior side of someone, that rough and tough person who's out there protecting, defending, there's a strength to that, but then the monk side of someone you know, is almost like a calm and peaceful side of someone. And yeah, it does make a lot of sense that to have a balance between the two and not be a hundred percent warrior or not be a hundred percent monk and have some sort of fine-tuned balance there. And I think maybe with a lot of things in life, it makes sense to have a balance. Everyone likes to indulge in one thing or another whether it's a, a suite or, you know uh an alcoholic beverage or something along those lines. But if you're all about that all the time, it's not going to be a good situation for you and having a balance between that and something else, it's just a good way to live your life. So what is it that you're doing through the podcast, through everything that you're doing with helping other people live a balanced life? What kind of conversations are we talking about?
Lance Radford: 00:14:44 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the truth is the premise of the show. I love the veteran community and I've had a bunch of veteran guests on the show but the show is really about me talking, having conversations with the people. I've done one introduction episode. That was just me. So if you've listened to the podcast, it's not just me telling you how this is the way to live a balanced life. It's really me trying to go out and talk to subject matter experts and people who've gone there and done that kind of thing. It's been a learning process for me too. I'm going to be perfectly honest. It's like the best part, regardless of anybody listening has been in part of my own personal growth and having conversations with people and networking and things of that nature.
Lance Radford: 00:15:23 But I think I've had a lot of friends. Most of the people that listen to my podcasts right now are friends and fellow coworkers and stuff that have given me great feedback on who I reach out to. And I've had anywhere from veteran non-profit groups to dieticians to people who work in the neuroscience field. So really like this, not kind of any one topic that we have people on the podcast talk about. I'm in the middle right now of doing under our science and psychology kind of mini-series where I'm doing four episodes of the podcast, really dedicated to things like tactical psychology for military and first responders and kind of how to pretty much psychologically prep yourself for things like running into the what-if situations. That it's not a matter of if it's going to happen, but when. And then we've recently also had a neuroscience researcher who helps people through neurofeedback.
Lance Radford: 00:16:22 And his whole thing is helping people, basically brain coach and get your brain back on track. If you've been struggling with certain things, whether it be addiction or excessive use of things, as well as just kind of personal performance you just want to be the best version of yourself. There are certain kinds of games you can play through neurofeedback to kind of exercise your brain and get your brain better. I'm going to be having another neurophysiologist doc Pate later on the podcast this month, who has worked specifically with post-traumatic stress patients. And she does everything from doing science research to getting involved in psychedelic therapy for veterans. Who've had a lot of hard, difficult trials trying to get through the process of coping and healing through post-traumatic stress. So that just kind of gives you a little sample of some of the stuff that we've talked about on the podcast so far.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:17:22 Yeah. And I think those conversations are important to have, and especially with the subject matter experts who are out there doing the work with the people. And you know, one of the things I like to do on this podcast, and we talked about this on your show a little bit, but I like to have those people who are doing the work, in my case, it's for veterans in your case, it's for anybody who is struggling with whatever they're going through. But you know, I like having those people on to share what they're doing, because if you don't know that there's a solution out there for you, then you don't know what you don't know, and you don't know to even look for that type of thing. And so the more awareness we can bring to these types of solutions and the people who are out there working on these solutions, the better everyone is going to be, because they're going to just see the possibilities that are out there.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:18:21 And you know, maybe it's not even somebody who is struggling with someone, but maybe it's another peer in that community another psychologist or something who's learning about what this other psychologist is doing to help PTSD or something like that. And then maybe that sparks an idea in their head to try something else that's kind of along those lines. And then they come up with some other innovative solutions. So the more we can do to elevate these voices and get them out there into the community, I think that the better off everyone's going to be with all of the different innovations that are happening out there.
Lance Radford: 00:19:00 Yeah. And I love how you've used the word solutions too, because I mean, my website's called warrior amongst solutions. The reason for that is like, there is a solution that may be warrior oriented or monk oriented. And even just for me being a why guy and having a science background before going to the military, I look hard into the science thing and it's not just about talking, having these conversations on podcasts, but it's very close to me and near and dear to me to do mentorship and coaching with people. One of those things is through physicality, I'm a certified strength and conditioning coach, and I love working with people on their physicality. And there's so many benefits just besides getting fit or getting strong to our physicality, especially right now in a time and place in the world where we're American culture is losing physicality, right.
Lance Radford: 00:19:51 Where we have the highest obesity rates and some of the worst personal health that we've ever seen in a generation it's mostly due to lifestyle habits. Then breathing too. I say breathing like, what do you mean breathing? But there's so much you can do with breathwork. It's really the gateway to starting meditation and I got my performance breathing certification through XPT and with that it basically means it was like learning aspects of how you can use the breath to control your nervous system between the sympathetic and parasympathetic pretty much bridge the gap between those systems. And you can use your breath to either get yourself revved up and ready to go handle something big in life or use your breath to downregulate and get yourself calmed down and ready to go to sleep after a busy day. So these are just some of the things I've learned in my life lessons that I try to pass on to other people through coaching.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:20:48 Yeah. And that's an important thing to have too, that ability to turn yourself up or down when the situation dictates and I know there's a lot of people who struggle with getting a good night's sleep and being able to calm yourself down and bringing yourself back down to a decent level, it seems like it should just be easy to do, but I know I struggled with insomnia for quite a while, and it was just a difficult thing to figure out. And you know, that type of work is definitely needed. And some people may not necessarily understand that it can have such a big impact on them, but it really can. And I think an important thing that we do in getting the overall health aspect of looked at.
Lance Radford: 00:21:53 And then it comes back to the whole concept of where monk and that duality piece, right. You can train as hard as you want to in the gym, or hitting the weights, stacking on the miles if you're an endurance athlete, but if you're not putting in the time for your rest and recovery and your nutrition, your hydration, it doesn't matter. At a certain point, you're going to hit a wall and you're going to get injured or you're going to overtrain. So those things are so important and they've been life lessons for me too, because I've been that 22-year old that said, well, I can eat like crap. I can go out and have too many beers and not pay the repercussions for it. And you can get away with it for a little bit in your twenties, but by the time you get into your thirties, especially maybe forties or fifties, if you're looking at longevity and good quality of life, you really do have to add the balance. And I love helping educate people on it.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:22:42 Yeah. And I'm right around the corner of the last year of my thirties, and I'm looking at 40 coming up here in a few months. And I'm already noticing that I cannot eat the crap that I used to eat and I can't drink the stuff that I used to drink. I just can't do it the same way that I used to. Your body just does not process things the way that it used to when you're younger. And you know, it's a real reality check when you start stepping on the scale and you're like, well, wait a minute, where did this come from? You talked about that too, with the lifestyle that people live and everything, and in the last year, year and a half or so we had this situation with COVID and all the things that were closed down. Gyms and things like that, that people maybe ordinarily would have gotten a chance to go to, even kids going to school and playing at recess or going to gym class or whatever, they would have had some physical activity going on.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:23:45 But people, a lot of people lost that when they chose to stay inside and not go out for a run or whatever even just around their neighborhood or something you know, and so that requires another kind of mindset shift to get back into that, because for so long now, we've been in that stagnant mode where we just were sitting around at home, we're maybe working from home or doing school from home and all that kind of stuff, but now we need to get back out and relearn how to get back into that. So, that's another mindset shift that we need to start focusing on.
Lance Radford: 00:24:27 Absolutely. I mean, I love to say that movement is therapy and it's not always about doing intense stuff, right? Like it doesn't have to necessarily be CrossFit or throwing the weights around or things of that nature. I mean, even just going for a walk in your neighborhood or out in nature can have such serious effects on our nervous system and our health. I mean, if there's one thing people could do in American culture that would probably improve a lot of stuff, it's walk more. That's just a little thing, right? That's a small habit change; you get done with dinner and you go for a walk for 30 minutes, a lot of people won't do it, but it's one of those things. It's a small change that inconsistency, if you're doing that every single day or even five days a week, you add those miles up, those calories burned the effect that's having on you. You put those together for months and months, and that ends up becoming a lifestyle change and has real serious repercussions and positive effects for you down the road throughout your life.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:25:29 Yeah. And there's a book I read a few years ago, it was called Atomic Habits. And it talks about the small changes that we make. And when we go and try to do this big new year's resolution type thing, most people fail because it's a huge shift. You know, I'm going to go to the gym, I'm going to lose a hundred pounds and I'm going to do this. And I'm going to change everything all at once. And it's like, that's not who you are. And that is not who you are and you know it. You need those small incremental changes. And by doing things like setting small goals, like walking for 30 minutes after dinner every night which I think most people can probably fit into their schedule. And if it's not after dinner, maybe after lunch, or if you're at work, take your lunch break and go for a walk if it's a half-hour lunch break, just go for a walk and have an apple or something on your walk and eat that. Most people can find the half-hour in their day to do some sort of physical exercise.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:26:37 We're not even talking strenuous, we're not talking going to the gym and lifting weights and running a marathon or anything like that, just literally going for a walk and at a fairly decent pace. But you know, I think if we can find time in our day to do some of those small things, we'll be able to turn ourselves around and find that we're improving our own lives. And it won't even feel like we're making any significant efforts because it's just going to become part of our everyday normal day-to-day life.
Lance Radford: 00:27:13 Yeah. And the funny thing with time too, right. It really is our most precious resource. It's like, there's one thing I can make more of for myself or people around me. It's more time. Right? Like if you're an entrepreneur, you have to break down what time means to you per hour, what it costs. We really do have more than we claim. We do a lot of the time, and I'm guilty of this too, I'll be the first one to admit it. I don't have time to do that, but when you really take the time to do some self-assessment and say, okay, how much time have I spent looking at the TV? Or how much time have I spent looking at the phone? How much time have I spent doing these things that probably I can put lower on the totem pole of priorities and start to put some of those other things that should be higher up on the totem pole, you'll make the time for what's important.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:28:03 And whatever you focus on is going to become the thing that you are going to be good at procrastinating and wasting time on, like you said, staring at a phone or the television or whatever, you're going to become great at that, but who cares? It's not anything that anyone's going to be like, oh my gosh, you spent an hour on Instagram today. Wow. You know, you've accomplished so much. No, but you know, when you go for a half-hour walk around your neighborhood and you do that consistently, and you start losing weight and you start getting healthier and more energetic and all that kind of stuff, people start to notice that. And that's something you can be proud of. And so you have a choice.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:28:50 And I mean, I always say that your life is the sum of all the choices that you made and all the experiences that have happened to you. And so if you are making bad decisions and you're wasting your time, well, that's going to be reflected later on in life where you're not going to have the improvements that you would've liked to have had. You're going to just slip all that time past you. But the good thing is if assuming we're still here, we still have time. And so we can get started now. We can take those first steps literally and figuratively and we can become a better version of ourselves. I challenge everyone. I think this is something that everyone can do.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:29:39 If you look at your phone in the settings and look at the apps that you have on your phone, a lot of times it'll list the average amount of time or the amount of time that each app has been used over the last day or week or whatever. Look at that and just realize how much time you've wasted on Facebook or Instagram or whatever, tic toc, who knows whatever, you'll probably be like, holy crap, I've wasted a lot of time. And I could've been doing so many better things with that time. One of the things that I found in my own life that has helped, and maybe this will help other people is there's, on my phone anyways, I have an Android, but there's something called the focused mode. And you can select several apps whatever apps that you want.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:30:29 And during certain times of the day, you can't access them. So maybe it's all your social media apps. And if you click on them, it's going to say, you're in focus mode. There's a way you can turn it off if you really need to get access to it. But it's just a reminder. It's like, Hey, put this phone down and go do the thing that you're supposed to be doing instead of focusing on this crap that you don't really need to do. And then later on at night, when I have nothing else that I need to do, because I've already done all the things that I needed to do. I allow myself to take a look at it and post things on social media, or just unwind and mindlessly scroll through stuff if that's what I want to do with my time. But it really helps me focus on the things that I need to do, whether that's exercise or my work, or my family or whatever the case may be. I use that to focus and you'd be surprised if you look at how much time you actually waste on these things there's a whole other world out there. So go focus on that instead.
Lance Radford: 00:31:34 Yeah. And that's a great strategy too. I mean, they talk about that in atomic habits is those little habits that you want to put lower on the priorities, making it harder to access them, right. Even if it's just something, it takes one more step or one more thing you have to do that makes it slightly inconvenient. It's more likely to make it less easy to access, then you're slightly less likely to do it.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:31:58 Yeah. And it works the opposite way too. So if there's a habit that you want to do more of you know, make it just one less step to make it easier for you to do that thing. So if you want to eat more fresh fruit and vegetables instead of having a cookie jar on the counter, have a bowl of fruit on the counter. And when you walk by that and it's like, Hey, I could use a snack. Well, let me grab an apple instead of a cookie or whatever, or if you want to go running just lay out your running clothes and your running shoes the night before and that way it's there. And you don't even have to think about it. It's just there, you just pick it up, put it on and go. It just makes things that much easier. So, all of that is a great way, I think, to live a more balanced life and work on your physical health, your mental health and all around overall wellness.
Lance Radford: 00:32:51 Yeah. Yeah. That's great stuff.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:32:53 Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's been a pleasure speaking with you today, learning about what you're doing with The Warrior Monk. Is there anything else that you're up to or where people can go to find everything about your podcast and follow you on social media?
Lance Radford: 00:33:17 Yeah, absolutely. Thanks so much too, for having me on Drive On Podcast, Scott. If anybody wants to reach out to me, please come find me on Facebook or on Instagram at The Warrior Monk podcast and then you can check me out on the website, which is www.warrioramongstsolutions.com. If you're interested in checking out the podcast, we're on major platforms such as Spotify and Apple, as well as SoundCloud and on Audible. And also have a Patreon too, if you decide to start listening to the podcast and you like the direction we are going, we do appreciate support. We've got some cool individual merchandise right now for anybody that signs up to the Patreon and we got morale patches and t-shirts, and things of that nature, if anybody wants to help support the podcast moving forward as well.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:34:04 Yeah. And I'll have links to all of this in the show notes too. So I really do encourage everyone to go check out The Warrior Monk, sign up for the Patreon and get some of those cool patches, stickers and things like that. And help support everything that Lance is doing with The Warrior Monks. So again, thank you for joining me and sharing your story and everything that you're doing. I really do appreciate your time and having you on.
Lance Radford: 00:34:33 Absolutely. Scott, thanks again for having me.
Scott DeLuzio: 00:34:36 You bet. Thanks for listening to the Drive On Podcast. If you want to check out more episodes or learn more about the show, you can visit our website DriveOnPodcast.com. We're also on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and YouTube at Drive On Podcast.
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